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If ever there was a game when VAR could have stamped it’s authority / come into its own it was this!!

Despite the lack of video assistance well done England, hero’s!
 
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Presumably the VAR refs reasoned the ball would not have been kept in play, and that Neymar dived 10 mins earlier, so on balance it wasn't a clear mistake by the ref.

But I think 99% of people would have given it. Shame the ref missed it in real time.
 
Much as I dislike Neymar it was a pen IMO. The ball was going out of play but I think that was Neymar's intention, to move it and draw the foul. I was surprised VAR didn't call it as a pen.

The later 'light touch on the back' incident was not a pen IMO. There was contact but nothing meaningful and the ball was nowhere near Neymar anyway.
 
Rorschach said:
Much as I dislike Neymar it was a pen IMO. The ball was going out of play but I think that was Neymar's intention, to move it and draw the foul. I was surprised VAR didn't call it as a pen.

The later 'light touch on the back' incident was not a pen IMO. There was contact but nothing meaningful and the ball was nowhere near Neymar anyway.
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as clear a pen on jesus as there could be, but its not the VAR refs decision to not award it, they should have told the ref to have another look, it doesn't matter how many times Neymar has dived before, the ball was in play when Kompany fouled.
 
Good refereeing has always been about common sense. If a player has been diving all over the place all game and tournament, it's absolutely right to give them no benefit of the doubt. Every child learns the boy who cried wolf story. It was justice - cheats shouldn't prosper

For me that refereeing was the best I've seen in a long time. He was strong in the face of diving and arguing, and basically ignored VAR and trusted his own judgement.
 
Seems like the fact that decisions were down to a referees interpretation, from what he thinks he saw in real time, have just disguised the fact that so many situations are not black and white when you have all the facts.
 
I have noticed that the refs are looking at VAR far less in recent matches, even for possible penalty decisions. Wonder if they are worried that there have been too many penalties given in this World Cup compared to before.
 
Spurs7891 said:
I have noticed that the refs are looking at VAR far less in recent matches, even for possible penalty decisions. Wonder if they are worried that there have been too many penalties given in this World Cup compared to before.
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You are left with better refs as the tournament goes on.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Good refereeing has always been about common sense.
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wrong - good refereeing has always been about applying the rules as best one can. "common sense" is subjective.

Gutter Boy said:
If a player has been diving all over the place all game and tournament, it's absolutely right to give them no benefit of the doubt. Every child learns the boy who cried wolf story. It was justice - cheats shouldn't prosper
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again wrong. each incident should be judged on its own merit, independently of previous events.

Gutter Boy said:
For me that refereeing was the best I've seen in a long time. He was strong in the face of diving and arguing, and basically ignored VAR and trusted his own judgement.
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wrong once again. if the ref felt there was diving going on and visibly dissenting voices against his decisions, where were the yellow cards? the ref ultimately missed a clear penalty which would have ended the game at 2-2. how can this possibly be one of the best refereed games?
 
Spurs7891 said:
I have noticed that the refs are looking at VAR far less in recent matches, even for possible penalty decisions. Wonder if they are worried that there have been too many penalties given in this World Cup compared to before.
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theres probably just been a directive for refs to stop using var so often. if i had to guess, the frequency that the refs were using var was probably deemed fine initially, but fifa probably thought players would stop cheating. they havent, and fifa are now probably worried that the number of pk's having to be given is becoming perfection, and so they want refs to allow some "cheating" to go on.
 
Spurs7891 said:
I have noticed that the refs are looking at VAR far less in recent matches, even for possible penalty decisions. Wonder if they are worried that there have been too many penalties given in this World Cup compared to before.
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I think it's been a FIFA edict after the group stage farce. It's pretty much been abandoned in the knock-out matches
 
Wilheldiva said:
wrong - good refereeing has always been about applying the rules as best one can. "common sense" is subjective.



again wrong. each incident should be judged on its own merit, independently of previous events.



wrong once again. if the ref felt there was diving going on and visibly dissenting voices against his decisions, where were the yellow cards? the ref ultimately missed a clear penalty which would have ended the game at 2-2. how can this possibly be one of the best refereed games?
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Refereeing is about people management, not enforcing rules. Applying sticks and carrots to get the behaviour you want. Rugby referees are brilliant at doing that.
 
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