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Spur of the moment said:
Yes there's always been more threatrics and other nonsense at WCs but if you really believe it hasn't gone up several notches this time round because of VAR you really are kidding yourself.
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Of course there has been more this time round, of course some will say it has not, some will say its the way the game is nowadays, but they are making excuses its down to the nonsense that VAR has brought to the game. Thankfully it looks like it will not be used in the Prem next season ( thank GHod) but if it is then you will see more threatrics in our games as well.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
They probably need to get rid of the ref trotting to the sideline to view it on a screen. But i understand why they are doing that, it's to give the ref final say on decisions (or at least give the impression).

It may also give the ref assurance that he is not being made to look an ass or feel he is being undermined.

I think the idea that it should focus on only factual decisions first is valid (offside etc) BUT penalties are such a big factor and literally game changers that they need to be included and a ref being assisted to get those calls right is surely a good thing?

Ultimately if a VAR ref can pipe a decision straight into the refs ear that will save time, and the on pitch ref should have a signal the players and fans easily see to say a review is in place. Perhaps they could have 4(?) on pitch safe zones that the ref can retreat to with players forbidden to enter (bar maybe the captain) or the cards come out.

In practice it should eventually get on top of a lot of the play acting, diving and any sneaky off the ball stuff and deal with it right at the time it happens, once the players know everything is being 'seen'.

Of course it never always go well, and that is in the main for the same reason conventional refereeing doesn't, the ref himself is just not that good. The Port/Iran ref couldn't deal with the pressure when the ref last night Arg/Nig was calm as you like.

For the naysayers, what is the holy grail....400% correct decisions all delivered within 30secs? Genuine question.

Or do you just not like it, full stop.?
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Of course it's a good thing to be able to get the decision right, or at any rate more often right than previously, no one in their right mind would dispute that for a moment. The real issue here is the way VAR has been introduced at this WC before being properly road-tested in lesser competitions.

Most objections have been around

  • the ridiculous amount of time it has sometimes taken to come to a decision
  • the lack of communication surrounding the process, especially regarding the paying spectator in the stadium
  • the number of farcical decisions it has lead to when we were lead to believe the opposite would be the outcome
  • the opportunity for an even greater level play-acting amongst some participants that it has provided

But speaking personally what I dislike most about VAR is that it takes away the thrill whenever a goal has been scored because now I must choke off any instantaneous abandon. By the time confirmation a goal has been scored comes through I am in a state of relative calm, that moment of sheer euphoria has been diluted. Anyone who was at our cup games earlier this year will know exactly what I am talking about.

It's argued that this kind of thing already happens where offside and other decisions are concerned but my point is the delay before you can celebrate now applies universally. Whereas before I would forget to allow for the possibility of a goal being disallowed, now I have to hold back EVERY time until the VAR has confirmed it.

What fun!
 
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Big fan of VAR. last night my other half pulled me up on something I didn’t do and I repeatedly shouted VAR whilst making a rectangle motion with my hands until she got bored of arguing her point.


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Spur of the moment said:
Of course it's a good thing to be able to get the decision right, or at any rate more often right than previously, no one in their right mind would dispute that for a moment. The real issue here is the way VAR has been introduced at this WC before being properly road-tested in lesser competitions.
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I do think you have a point there.

And perhaps there has been a lack of joined up thinking regarding the implementation. As there has been plenty of road testing of VAR, serie a and bundeliga all last season BUT no common protocol or methodology that can be re-fined and perfected and taken on by all parties as time progresses.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I do think you have a point there.

And perhaps there has been a lack of joined up thinking regarding the implementation. As there has been plenty of road testing of VAR, serie a and bundeliga all last season BUT no common protocol or methodology that can be re-fined and perfected and taken on by all parties as time progresses.
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Serie A have been using it fine all season. They use a similar system as in the WC.
It’s been fine at WC for the vast majority of games.

Will take good few years to get all bugs out, remember at has been used in test cricket since 2001 17 years!
Give it time.
 
VAR for the most part has been good. Don't forget the wrong calls are always the ref's responsibility, but overall VAR has made far more wrongs right than the other way around. Imagine if SK's perfectly legal goal had been disallowed and Germany got a winner? Disastrous for Mexico.

The main issues for me is obviously how long it takes - both to actually signal a possible VAR review, but also the review itself. I fear nothing will be done about it, and that it will turn into a commercial slot instead - the perfect spot for an annoying ad. That would tinkle me off.

I also don't like how VAR has become such a spectacle in itself. It's overshadowing the actual football at times. Hopefully as time goes by, this will wear off when VAR becoms as boring and normal as throw ins.
 
Robbo said:
VAR for the most part has been good. Don't forget the wrong calls are always the ref's responsibility, but overall VAR has made far more wrongs right than the other way around. Imagine if SK's perfectly legal goal had been disallowed and Germany got a winner? Disastrous for Mexico.

The main issues for me is obviously how long it takes - both to actually signal a possible VAR review, but also the review itself. I fear nothing will be done about it, and that it will turn into a commercial slot instead - the perfect spot for an annoying ad. That would tinkle me off.

I also don't like how VAR has become such a spectacle in itself. It's overshadowing the actual football at times. Hopefully as time goes by, this will wear off when VAR becoms as boring and normal as throw ins.
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VAR for offside is an absolute no brainer.

We’ve clearly seen VAR, or the refs interpretation of rules, struggle with pens though, surely that’s not in debate? If it’s a 50/50 situation then the original decision has to stand.
 
parklane1 said:
Of course there has been more this time round, of course some will say it has not, some will say its the way the game is nowadays, but they are making excuses its down to the nonsense that VAR has brought to the game. Thankfully it looks like it will not be used in the Prem next season ( thank GHod) but if it is then you will see more threatrics in our games as well.
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Can you please back this up with some real numbers, not just your general feeling from the present World Cup, which will always be the easier to remember compared to what happened four, eight or twelve years ago?

VAR also ensured that Neymar got a yellow card instead of a penalty for his efforts against Costa Rica. VAR could and should be a valuable tool to reduce this type of playacting.
 
bjholmem said:
Can you please back this up with some real numbers, not just your general feeling from the present World Cup, which will always be the easier to remember compared to what happened four, eight or twelve years ago?

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Why bother, its pretty easy to see unless you do not want to. If you honestly feel that the play acting, arguing etc has not increased since VAR came in then there is nothing i can say. Stop! Hammer time and the truth is there to see during this W/C, that's if you really want to.
 
parklane1 said:
Why bother, its pretty easy to see unless you do not want to. If you honestly feel that the play acting, arguing etc has not increased since VAR came in then there is nothing i can say. Stop! Hammer time and the truth is there to see during this W/C, that's if you really want to.
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It's not about opinions, it's about numbers. How many incidents of players surrounding the referees were there in the past world cups compared with this one?

I am reluctantly positive to the use of VAR, but the main issues are that refereeing with or without VAR requires good referees and that the players show the referees respect. Why referees are so reluctant to issue cards for dissent is beyond me.
 
bjholmem said:
It's not about opinions, it's about numbers. How many incidents of players surrounding the referees were there in the past world cups compared with this one?

I am reluctantly positive to the use of VAR, but the main issues are that refereeing with or without VAR requires good referees and that the players show the referees respect. Why referees are so reluctant to issue cards for dissent is beyond me.
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As i said Stop! Hammer time, i can agree with you over players should be booked for lack of respect but as we have seen several times this W/C once VAR has reared its ugly head the situation is far worse then its ever been( imo).
 
The rules of the game need clarifying, the shambles we’ve seen over penalty decisions is testimony to that. I agree VAR is only as good as the refs but the refs are, seemingly, given no direction. This is not VAR’s fault, but a fault of the system all the same.
 
VAR was brilliant tonight. The referee disallowed the South Korea goal for offside... VAR showed it was a German that passed the ball to him, so he was not offside, so Germany are out of the World Cup. A massive moment, a massive improvement.

And in the other game too, the ref gave a penalty to Costa Rica but VAR showed it was offside, and it was ruled out, brilliant application. Another massive moment.

Almost every game has a massive moment which decides it - the refs need help to get these moments right.

Of course many moments are 50:50 or 49:51, at which point they just have to go one way or the other like they always did. But if it is 80:20 or 100:0 then he makes a better decision.
 
Bullet said:
VAR was brilliant tonight. The referee disallowed the South Korea goal for offside... VAR showed it was a German that passed the ball to him, so he was not offside, so Germany are out of the World Cup. A massive moment, a massive improvement.

And in the other game too, the ref gave a penalty to Costa Rica but VAR showed it was offside, and it was ruled out, brilliant application. Another massive moment.

Almost every game has a massive moment which decides it - the refs need help to get these moments right.

Of course many moments are 50:50 or 49:51, at which point they just have to go one way or the other like they always did. But if it is 80:20 or 100:0 then he makes a better decision.
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I don’t think anyone has complained about using VAR for offsides have they? If they have I completely disagree with them and think they’re mental!

The issue with VAR is for pen decisions and other 50/50’s, in the costa rica game you mention the pen they did get was as blatant a dive and non pen as you can see but VAR didn’t overturn it.
 
99.9% of the time, nothing is 50/50, it only looks that way because we don't have enough information, the answer isn't to do nothing, the answer is to get more information.
 
galeforce said:
99.9% of the time, nothing is 50/50, it only looks that way because we don't have enough information, the answer isn't to do nothing, the answer is to get more information.
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There was enough information to show yesterday’s pen was a dive so why wasn’t it overturned? “Not VAR’s fault” I know! As I said last night the reffing needs a huge overhaul and rules need clarifying for consistency.
 
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