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Transfer thread

djp82 said:
I know that’s the case , Tel and Danso were brought to club in Jan.

I think making Tel permanent is a gamble. Looked bang average in a system heavily weighted to attacking. Poor business in my view.

Danso as a 3rd 4th Choice CB is ok.
Takai who knows . Weird one that.

Kudus looked good.

Still a bang average window again. I said this after last summer also. Squad has been stagnating. We’ve not signed any top quality players for a while.

Spent yes , spent badly i think sadly.
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But signed now.
We know Danso was a consideration and only happened because of Drag injury.
Similar with Kinksy.

Those costs have to come from this window, and with PSR costs and structures do have to be managed very carefully - not only for the now, but to prevent problems further down the line.
 
braineclipse said:
Very much in agreement with you. A 10, a striker/forward (ideally a versatile one that can play as a lone striker) and a full back (ideally left back) would be great. Particularly a 10.

The good thing is that there's so much potential in this squad and almost no players you'd expect to be worse in two years than they are now. Maddison maybe, depending on how he recovers. Other than that just Davies.

So theoretically if we did nothing for two years we should improve by some margin. The problem with the long term planning is when short term failure (or lack of success) ends up hampering development, creating disruption and manager changes or you end up losing your best players at or before their peak.

We got out of jail in a way with the EL win. But we need to be moving forward for the long term planning to materialise. One more clear starter (#10) and two more good options (forward/striker) and a full back would go a long way. Even two of those would help a lot as long as the #10 position gets sorted imo.
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I guess doing nothing when you have a young squad is never an option unless you're brave and sacrifice inferior, senior players.

In a year's time would Spurs be willing to offload a few current first teamers and allow the best U21s to slot into the squad in their place? They weren't this year, perhaps telling us it was too early in their development cycles. Eventually, this reason goes away and you have to make the tough calls on who fills the 25 senior places.

I am still genuinely excited about this young squad.
 
Lilbaz said:
Then you have to count palhinha. Who will be a starter for us.
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Yeah ok.

But it's not a good look when we have several priority areas and we have only made two signings at this, one of which is permanent whilst the other one is likely a short-term move for a role we will likely have to buy for again in a year.

And in a summer after a shambolic league season where several gaps have been highlighted and we have got the benefit of CL football....sigh...
 
monkeybarry said:
But signed now.
We know Danso was a consideration and only happened because of Drag injury.
Similar with Kinksy.

Those costs have to come from this window, and with PSR costs and structures do have to be managed very carefully - not only for the now, but to prevent problems further down the line.
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That’s fine. I understand that. I was getting at why make Tel permanent ? Take that fee and use it elsewhere.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, Hincapie would be amazing. Calafiori was the other player of that ilk but that lot down the road got him.

These types of signings are the direction I want us moving. Pep set a great example at City when he always had great centre halves but still bought more. We then saw Ake, Gvardiol at full back and guys like Stones and Akanji operating in holding midfield. He then had Rico Lewis playing different positions.

You don't not buy Hincapie because we have VDV and "more important" positions to fill. You buy him because he is a player that can take us to trophies. The rest takes care of itself.
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I don't think the comparison to City holds up. Different squad in a different place with different finances. I also think Pep has been a bit slow to address actual problem areas in their squad.

Ignoring problem areas and spending a lot where you're already strong is not a great pathway to success imo.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think Robinson is great (think I was the first on here to recommend him as a signing a few years ago) but my logic is that Hincapie can also play in a 2 at the back and a 3 at the back as well as playing as standard full back. That would cover Dragusin being out (and allow us to sell him when he returns). I also think a formation where Hincapie plays CB and VDV plays as left back in a 4 could be really effective at times.
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I agree
But I think he has limitations at left back
I’d rather have someone who could be better than destiny
 
glorygloryeze said:
Yeah ok.

But it's not a good look when we have several priority areas and we have only made two signings at this, one of which is permanent whilst the other one is likely a short-term move for a role we will likely have to buy for again in a year.

And in a summer after a shambolic league season where several gaps have been highlighted and we have got the benefit of CL football....sigh...
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That only happens if the loan fails
if he does well, we buy him
So we have, in theory improved our starting 11 by 20% with Kudus and Pahlhina
That’s good for one window
 
djp82 said:
That’s fine. I understand that. I was getting at why make Tel permanent ? Take that fee and use it elsewhere.
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Because Tel is genuinely highly rated by people inside the club including Frank?

He's just had his first half a season at the club in some rather difficult circumstances. He's 19.

Imo he's a real talented player who already has real experience at the highest level. I think Frank was excited to be working with him. Tel imo has a lot of the tools needed to be a really good player.
 
braineclipse said:
I don't think the comparison to City holds up. Different squad in a different place with different finances. I also think Pep has been a bit slow to address actual problem areas in their squad.

Ignoring problem areas and spending a lot where you're already strong is not a great pathway to success imo.
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That's what City did though. They found centre mid solutions by buying available centre halves in the market. They couldn't find anyone to slot in for Rodri. Bernardo Silva changed role as well.

It's not as black and white as you made out there. It's not about ignoring problem areas at all. It's like the Hincapie conversation. That player might cost £50m but is a class act. We'd find ways for him being in the team and might even see Udogie pushed into that troublesome LM slot if him or VDV are at LB.
 
Muttley said:
That's what City did though. They found centre mid solutions by buying available centre halves in the market. They couldn't find anyone to slot in for Rodri. Bernardo Silva changed role as well.

It's not as black and white as you made out there. It's not about ignoring problem areas at all. It's like the Hincapie conversation. That player might cost £50m but is a class act. We'd find ways for him being in the team and might even see Udogie pushed into that troublesome LM slot if him or VDV are at LB.
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Can’t think or anything worse than destiny playing midfield…
 
djp82 said:
That’s fine. I understand that. I was getting at why make Tel permanent ? Take that fee and use it elsewhere.
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You weren't, you were stating it's been a poor window and that Danso & Tel don't count as part of it.

Re; Tel. I don't see it either. I hope I'm wrong. But I really don't even get what kind of footballer he is.
 
monkeybarry said:
But signed now.
We know Danso was a consideration and only happened because of Drag injury.
Similar with Kinksy.

Those costs have to come from this window, and with PSR costs and structures do have to be managed very carefully - not only for the now, but to prevent problems further down the line.
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Not sure PSR can be used as an excuse with THFC. We've always tended to have a lot of wriggle room.
 
Muttley said:
That's what City did though. They found centre mid solutions by buying available centre halves in the market. They couldn't find anyone to slot in for Rodri. Bernardo Silva changed role as well.

It's not as black and white as you made out there. It's not about ignoring problem areas at all. It's like the Hincapie conversation. That player might cost £50m but is a class act. We'd find ways for him being in the team and might even see Udogie pushed into that troublesome LM slot if him or VDV are at LB.
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When they signed Gvardiol they also signed Nunes, Kovacic and Doku.

When they signed Akanji they also signed Phillips and Haaland.

I don't think they signed Nunes and Phillips with the plan that they would just use Stones all along. They could sign multiple players they rated very highly.

They used defenders in midfield because they failed to adequately sign midfielders that were good enough and suited the system. Not for a lack of trying, they did try. But when you have their spending power and ability to attract players you can afford to spend, miss, spend again and end up with more class act players.

Imo we have to find those class act players in the roles we're most in need of upgrades. If we can't get a solution in that works, as City also have done.
 
monkeybarry said:
You weren't, you were stating it's been a poor window and that Danso & Tel don't count as part of it.

Re; Tel. I don't see it either. I hope I'm wrong. But I really don't even get what kind of footballer he is.
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No I said I understood Tel and Danso were made permanent in this window. I said they were part of side in Jan.

Yes I did say it’s pretty poor.
 
braineclipse said:
Because Tel is genuinely highly rated by people inside the club including Frank?

He's just had his first half a season at the club in some rather difficult circumstances. He's 19.

Imo he's a real talented player who already has real experience at the highest level. I think Frank was excited to be working with him. Tel imo has a lot of the tools needed to be a really good player.
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So highly rated Bayern sold him to us.

It’s an opinion . If he’s proves to be a good signing then happy days I will say I’m wrong and will happily wear I told you so.

I don’t think that will be the case.
 
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