That would explain the high ‘crosses per game’ rate, which is unusual for a deep lying defensive midfielder....
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Does anyone know what ‘ball recoveries’ or possession wins covers? According to the same website (whoscored) he only has 125 tackles and interceptions in the PL this season, so I don’t know what the other 162 possession wins covers?
Legohamster
Ian Walker
it depends on how much the (Russian?) owner wants to back them again I guess - could be prepared to take that gamble
Not sure, maybe winning second balls e.g. when cleared from a corner or set piece he picks up the loose ball?
Yeah I think you might be right, thanks.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I’m including his games the whole season as that’s how the premier league report the data
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
It’s the problem with stats
They can be interpreted many ways and everyone seems to create their own and then use them as the gospel
I always look at the premier league ones as at least their part of the org sustain that runs the league
Lots of people seem to like sqwawka which is independent but as such has no accountability for his numbers
for example the one you mention says he has made 125 tackles and the premier league one 79
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
We neeed a DM, Wanyama and Dier were incredibly important to our great defense when we were good. dier is now clearly preferred at CB (and doing well there) and Wanyama has gone. So this makes sense.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
So to clear it up
Ward prose misses 48.8%
Holdberg misses 39%
Is that 39% actually good ????
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
It’s not exceptional. It’s quite a lot better than 49% though....
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
It’s 20% better
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
That’s quite a lot.... The difference between an A and a D in A levels or a first and a third in a degree.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Not when your measuring failure. Don’t forget to use your logic we haven’t considered the complete tackles
So neither would be a first, Holdberg would scrape a 2.1 and WP a 2.2, and of course WP wins on all the other stats
Maybe people just want a DM to just tackle. I want one who can do more. I’m not manager
milo
Jack L. Jones
It's not the strongest base for a comparison particularly when a lot of key data is not included in the stats on the PL site.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Recovery
This is where a player recovers the ball in a situation where neither team has possession or where the ball has been played directly to him by an opponent, thus securing possession for their team.
Possession won
The total sum of tackles, aerial duels won, interceptions, blocked crosses or shield outs (shielding the ball from an opponent and letting it run out of play).
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
What’s missing?
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that @braineclipse has given you a few good examples.
The data you have chosen to support your argument is blunt and as it covers both players playing a number of positions, doesn't allow for an accurate comparison.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Ward Prowse is like Sigi, got a great ping on him but no pace and his screamers or free kicks over shadow his general poor play
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Tackling a player who is about to score is equal to tackling a player who is losing control of the on the halfway line that's why I dont pay a lot of attention to stats, they prove whatever you like. Previously possession was considered great now many seem relaxed about that stat, the one stat that counts are goals.