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Transfer Rumour Thread
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And you know that he would be a pure back up and that the fee would be £30m? The "statements of fact" that you come out with are breathtakingly stupid at times, if someone didn't know to take what you say with the biggest pinch of salt then they would no doubt think you had connections to all of the hierarchy at the club.
The fee could possibly be within that region should we try to sign him but you don't haves clue what he cost and to make a statement that essentially any striker we sign would be a back up is nonsense. If we had an alternative forward at the moment then I would think they would have had plenty of game time with Kane being rested and/or played behind the forward imo.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Very harsh...
First of all he didn't say "pure" backup, you added that bit. To describe any newly signed striker as a backup to Kane seems fair to me. It might not be the only role that player can play, and he would get games when Kane got a rest, but he would still be a backup to Kane. In most of the transfer threads adding a backup option to Kane seems to be fair lingo.
The assumption that Batshuayi would cost somewhere around £30m seems just fine from what I've read. Long contract, young, talented, successful, highly rated. I would suggest you've not been paying attention in the transfer market if you think this assumption is way off base.
GB's conclusion is also fine. We're probably not going to pay that for Batshuayi or any "Kane backup".
Yiddo
Jack Jull
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ashing Machine-Lyon-accept-22million-bid.html
Its the Daily Fail but this is the transfer rumour thread afterall.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
The poster has a habit of making statement of facts without being in a position to confirm his position so to that end it isn't harsh at all imo.
Batshuayi may well cost £30m upwards but he could just as well cost less. It all depends on factors that none of us are privy to such as the player's desire to leave, the selling clubs financial situation and the relationship they have with the player etc. Also, you can't nitpick over one word, pure backup or backup ultimately is the same thing regarding what the inference was and I don't believe, in my opinion, that we would be signing any forward for any sort of fee if it were the view they would be a "back up" to Kane and by the original poster and your inference that they would only play when Kane needed resting.
Looking at the way Pochettino likes to interchange across the front areas I could quite easily see us paying a strong fee for someone like that and at times playing Kane behind the forward. I could also see Pochettino wanting to experiment a system that possibly incorporated two forwards as he does like change things around from time to time. Like I say, I see us having a player that would work with Kane rather than just being his back up and playing when he is injured/needs resting otherwise you pretty much rule out the majority of upcoming talents like Batshuayi who would never come here if they were under the impression they were nothing but second fiddle right from the get go.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I suppose GB should have added the words "imo" a couple of times in his post and it would have been fine?
I don't see anything wrong with his assumption of cost.
I don't see anything wrong with assuming that a new signing will be a backup to Kane. Even if they can play multiple roles that will still most likely be the case.
There will be plenty of upcoming talents willing to sign for us knowing that they will most likely have to be patient at first, knowing that they'll have to fight for a place in the team, knowing that them being described as a backup to Kane at first is the reality of the situation. Not many of those will be valued at £30m - which is kinda the point GB was making I think.
Ok, I think we are at crossed purposes here but I don't actually have issue with that either. After all, it is a forum where opinions are supposed to given and discussed on their merit as you have done directly with me even if we might disagree.
I don't think a one line statement as the original one was and in the manner it was given was particularly cool hence my response and I stand by my response but at least I have explained it, unlike the original poster who does have a habit of doing exactly the same thing time and again.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
Bats signed a new contract with Lyon. You sure we are in for him?
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
If the rumours were true that we offered £24m for Berahino on the final day of the last window, then a bit more for an even more suitable player in that position would not seem unreasonable to me. By all accounts, the Batty boy seems much more the sort of player we really need right now.
What is the player we need right now? Going by the summer Poch supposedly turned down the chance to sign a Kane back up (Austin) in order to pursue Berahino, a player with different qualities to Kane - much like with Benteke in previous windows I think the idea that we will drop 20m+ on a player who only plays CF so they can rotate with Kane more than a little fanciful, the logic doesn't stack up in your claim that we'd pay more for a player more specialised as a CF as compared with a player like Berahino we'd effectively reducing the options available in when/where they can play.
Furthermore looking through our squad I don't really see many like for like options - Davies/Rose - Walker/Trippier - Dier/Carrol/Mason/Bentaleb/Alli/Dembele etc - they all bring something different to the fold despite competing for the same positions - why would CF be different? perhaps that is how Poch likes/wants to build his squad (or maybe he's given what he's given and he's just making the best of it)
And that's without getting to the fact that we couldn't actually get a bid for Berahino accepted, one which was structured over several years so I'm not sure where we're gonna find the extra monies to fund a bid for Batshuyi/another
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Because CF is different. The way we play with a lone striker makes it a highly specialized role. Take Kane out of the side and we have to change the whole way we play. Goal scoring CFs who can lead the line by themselves are a rare breed who, ipso facto, cost a lot of money. I would hate to see such a promising season come to a frustrating denouement by virtue of our failure to strengthen such a key position.
We have been here before remember. Saha and Neilson still bring shudders to my spine. To fail to learn the lessons from history means we are almost bound to repeat them. The riches of the Champions League awaits. Carpe diem. To dare is to do. COYS.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
A few things have changed since August though. Son's settled quickly, Lamela has come on enormously, Njie is looking promising and Pritchard is now 1 week away from fitness. If anything we have too many AMs/WFs (even after Townsend goes).
What we don't have is someone that can play as a #9 (cf Son or Njie as a false 9). And it's such a specialist position now (6'1-6'3 and well-built yet mobile, hold-up play, link-up play, goalscoring) that you need someone that is a #9 primarily, and who can maybe also do a job at WF if needed, rather than the other way around.
Berahino isn't that player. The likes of Dembele/Ramirez/Afobe are.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Real Madrid are looking at Tottenham striker Harry Kane, 22, as a potential signing as they start a new era of rebuilding. (Daily Telegraph)
Manchester United will try to sign 25-year-old Chelsea playmaker Eden Hazard for £65m after being told they have no chance of signing Real Madrid forward Gareth Bale, 26. (Daily Star)
Real Madrid manager Zinedine Zidane will make Hazard his main transfer target in the summer but the Belgium international will wait until finding out who the next permanent Blues boss will be before deciding on his future. (Daily Telegraph)
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The possible arrival of Didier Drogba, 37, as a coach at Chelsea could be the key to the Stamford Bridge club holding on to Hazard.(Daily Express)
Chelsea could make a move for Arsenal winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, 22, as a possible replacement for Hazard. (Sun)
Chelsea approached Carlo Ancelotti, 56, to take over as manager from Jose Mourinho, 52, five weeks before they sacked the Portuguese, but the Italian did not want a short-term deal. (Daily Mail)
Manchester United have played down talk of signing Everton striker Romelu Lukaku this January but are ready to make a £40m move for the 22-year-old in the summer. (Daily Mirror)
The Red Devils have been told by Serie A side Lazio to make a £36m bid for Brazilian winger Felipe Anderson, 22. (Sun)
Everton manager Roberto Martinez says there is no agreement with England centre-back John Stones, 21, that he can leave in the summer. (Daily Star)
Championship side Cardiff say goalkeeper David Marshall, 30, is worth £10m amid interest from Everton. (Daily Mirror)
On-loan Chelsea striker Radamel Falcao, 29, went back to parent club Monaco to have his thigh injury assessed and could end his season-long loan with the Blues. (Independent)
The Blues are among a number of clubs looking to sign Barcelona's 12-year-old starlet Xavi Simons and have contacted the midfielder's father about a move. (Daily Mail)
Liverpool and Manchester United's hopes of signing Borussia Dortmund midfielder Ilkay Gundogan could have improved after Juventus ruled out a move for the 25 year old. (Daily Express)
Stoke could make a bid for West Brom striker Saido Berahino, 22, who has failed to start a league game in more than two months. (Guardian)
Daily Telegraph back page
Defender Jan Kirchhoff, 25, says he turned down offers from three Bundesliga clubs before moving to Sunderland from Bayern Munich. (Sunderland Echo)
Sunderland's conduct has been criticised by French club Lorient after the Black Cats had a bid accepted for defender Lamine Kone, 27, only to pull out of the deal. (Le Telegramme via Guardian)
Aston Villa are looking to offload winger Charles N'Zogbia, 29, to Greek side AEK Athens and cut their wage bill. The Frenchman is on a £65,000-a-week contract at Villa Park. (Telegraph)
Saudi Sportswashing Machine have ended their interest in signing Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, 24, after being put off by the London side's asking price of more than £10m. (Chronicle)
Watford boss Quique Sanchez Flores says it is "impossible" that strikers Odion Ighalo, 26, and Troy Deeney, 27, will be sold this month. (Daily Mirror)
Watford are in talks to sign Fiorentina midfielder Mario Suarez, 28. The Spaniard and the Hornets manager Quique Sanchez Flores worked together in their time at La Liga side Atletico Madrid. (Watford Observer)
Schalke manager Andre Breitenreiter has confirmed the German club are trying to sign Leicester midfielder Gokhan Inler, 31, on loan in the transfer window. (Leicester Mercury)
Napoli have rejected a bid of £14m from Swansea for 24-year-old Italy international forward Manolo Gabbiadini. (Guardian)
The Welsh club have denied making a offer for Gabbiadini, but admit they have made an enquiry for the player. (South Wales Evening Post)
Liverpool winger Jordon Ibe, 20, has become the club's seventh player sidelined by a hamstring injury. (Independent)
Former Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez, 27, believes being a regular starter at Bayer Leverkusen is the key to his impressive goalscoring form so far this season. (Orlando Sentinel)
Crystal Palace boss Alan Pardew says the club's ex-manager Neil Warnock "didn't do very well" during his time in charge at Selhurst Park, in response to his predecessor saying he thought QPR striker Charlie Austin would be a good fit for the Eagles. (Guardian)
Eagles boss Pardew has ruled out a move for former Arsenal, Tottenham and Emirates Marketing Project striker Emmanuel Adebayor, 31, who is currently a free agent. (Croydon Advertiser)
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger was hoping forward Alexis Sanchez's comeback from a hamstring injury could come in Saturday's FA Cup tie against Sunderland, but the 27 year old's return has been put back until the league game at Liverpool five days later. (London Evening Standard)
Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce says he does not want to sell striker Jermain Defoe unless the Black Cats get an offer they cannot refuse for the 33-year-old. (Daily Mail)
Manchester United will try to sign 25-year-old Chelsea playmaker Eden Hazard for £65m after being told they have no chance of signing Real Madrid forward Gareth Bale, 26. (Daily Star)
Real Madrid manager Zinedine Zidane will make Hazard his main transfer target in the summer but the Belgium international will wait until finding out who the next permanent Blues boss will be before deciding on his future. (Daily Telegraph)
Daily Star back page
The possible arrival of Didier Drogba, 37, as a coach at Chelsea could be the key to the Stamford Bridge club holding on to Hazard.(Daily Express)
Chelsea could make a move for Arsenal winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, 22, as a possible replacement for Hazard. (Sun)
Chelsea approached Carlo Ancelotti, 56, to take over as manager from Jose Mourinho, 52, five weeks before they sacked the Portuguese, but the Italian did not want a short-term deal. (Daily Mail)
Manchester United have played down talk of signing Everton striker Romelu Lukaku this January but are ready to make a £40m move for the 22-year-old in the summer. (Daily Mirror)
The Red Devils have been told by Serie A side Lazio to make a £36m bid for Brazilian winger Felipe Anderson, 22. (Sun)
Everton manager Roberto Martinez says there is no agreement with England centre-back John Stones, 21, that he can leave in the summer. (Daily Star)
Championship side Cardiff say goalkeeper David Marshall, 30, is worth £10m amid interest from Everton. (Daily Mirror)
On-loan Chelsea striker Radamel Falcao, 29, went back to parent club Monaco to have his thigh injury assessed and could end his season-long loan with the Blues. (Independent)
The Blues are among a number of clubs looking to sign Barcelona's 12-year-old starlet Xavi Simons and have contacted the midfielder's father about a move. (Daily Mail)
Liverpool and Manchester United's hopes of signing Borussia Dortmund midfielder Ilkay Gundogan could have improved after Juventus ruled out a move for the 25 year old. (Daily Express)
Stoke could make a bid for West Brom striker Saido Berahino, 22, who has failed to start a league game in more than two months. (Guardian)
Daily Telegraph back page
Defender Jan Kirchhoff, 25, says he turned down offers from three Bundesliga clubs before moving to Sunderland from Bayern Munich. (Sunderland Echo)
Sunderland's conduct has been criticised by French club Lorient after the Black Cats had a bid accepted for defender Lamine Kone, 27, only to pull out of the deal. (Le Telegramme via Guardian)
Aston Villa are looking to offload winger Charles N'Zogbia, 29, to Greek side AEK Athens and cut their wage bill. The Frenchman is on a £65,000-a-week contract at Villa Park. (Telegraph)
Saudi Sportswashing Machine have ended their interest in signing Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, 24, after being put off by the London side's asking price of more than £10m. (Chronicle)
Watford boss Quique Sanchez Flores says it is "impossible" that strikers Odion Ighalo, 26, and Troy Deeney, 27, will be sold this month. (Daily Mirror)
Watford are in talks to sign Fiorentina midfielder Mario Suarez, 28. The Spaniard and the Hornets manager Quique Sanchez Flores worked together in their time at La Liga side Atletico Madrid. (Watford Observer)
Schalke manager Andre Breitenreiter has confirmed the German club are trying to sign Leicester midfielder Gokhan Inler, 31, on loan in the transfer window. (Leicester Mercury)
Napoli have rejected a bid of £14m from Swansea for 24-year-old Italy international forward Manolo Gabbiadini. (Guardian)
The Welsh club have denied making a offer for Gabbiadini, but admit they have made an enquiry for the player. (South Wales Evening Post)
Liverpool winger Jordon Ibe, 20, has become the club's seventh player sidelined by a hamstring injury. (Independent)
Former Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez, 27, believes being a regular starter at Bayer Leverkusen is the key to his impressive goalscoring form so far this season. (Orlando Sentinel)
Crystal Palace boss Alan Pardew says the club's ex-manager Neil Warnock "didn't do very well" during his time in charge at Selhurst Park, in response to his predecessor saying he thought QPR striker Charlie Austin would be a good fit for the Eagles. (Guardian)
Eagles boss Pardew has ruled out a move for former Arsenal, Tottenham and Emirates Marketing Project striker Emmanuel Adebayor, 31, who is currently a free agent. (Croydon Advertiser)
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger was hoping forward Alexis Sanchez's comeback from a hamstring injury could come in Saturday's FA Cup tie against Sunderland, but the 27 year old's return has been put back until the league game at Liverpool five days later. (London Evening Standard)
Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce says he does not want to sell striker Jermain Defoe unless the Black Cats get an offer they cannot refuse for the 33-year-old. (Daily Mail)
Nothing has changed since the summer - Son is still an AM, N'Jie is still a prospect and we still need an alternate to Kane.
The question is what type of player we sign for that position - and my point re Poch turning down a pure CF in favor of targeting a CF/WF still stands.
I don't think we'll target a player who can only play one way - ie this pure no.9 you guys seem in favor of - the players Poch has signed/targeted and the players which seem to have been marginalised suggest we want attacking players which can move around and play different roles/positions - Sandro and Berahino fit in to this, Dembele is young enough to be moulded (don't know Afobe to comment) and we know Kane is the same.
Edit : reading around actually it looks as though Berahino, Dembele and Sandro are similar in style and are all able to play the WF role as well as CF so no surprise they are linked
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Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The problem is that Son and Lamela look completly unsuited to playing as the number 9, they both play on the half turn as opposed to with their back to goal (and it is a big difference). Whereas number 9 is Berahino's favoured position and he is used to playing that way.
Pritchard certainly isn't a number 9.
I think I have missed N'Jie looking promising. He looks very raw to me and also looks like he is a wide forward and not a focal point.
I would also say that Son has looked a bit poor in the last couple of games when coming on as sub. He hasn't been able to controll the ball and retain possession with his back to goal.
It is interesting that you have set a 3" height spread for your number 9. While I see your logic here, I think it is flawed. Aguero plays successfully as a number 9 for Emirates Marketing Project and isn't in your height spread. Vardy does the same for Leicester. I think Wayne Rooney would also be a very successful as a number 9 for us. I haven't really closely watched Berahino in the number 9 role to have made up my mind whether or not he would be a big success up top for us, but I do remember playing WBA at home early in Pochettino's reign and him and Sessegnon bullying both Kaboul and Chiriches.
I take you back to my earlier post where I listed what I thought our players primary positions were and then their back-up positions. We have only a single player who is primarily a number 9. Bringing in Berahino would give us two.
I also notice that in previous posts you have been an advocate of us bringing in Dembele from Fulham. He is only 1" taller than Berahino. Do you feel that this 1" is all important to play number 9 for us? Weren't you also happy for us to sign Sandro Ramirez from Barca despite him being a couple of inches shorter than Berahino even?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I don't think they are similar in style at all.
For me Berahino is a Jay Rodriguez/Danny Ings, Ramirez looks like a Cavani/Falcao, and Dembele is supposed to be a Kanoute.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
My point is that Berahino is as unsuited to playing #9 as Son/Njie/Lamela/Chadli. It's just more of the same. Rather than a specialist in that position who can do a job in AM.
I'm pretty sure with my own eyes, rather than wikipedia, Ramirez has grown quite a bit taller than 5'9" now. If you look at more recent videos of him, he's usually the tallest player in the box.