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Clive Wilson
Re: Northumberland Development Project
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...signers-in-rethink-over-new-home-8801178.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...signers-in-rethink-over-new-home-8801178.html
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Gudni Bergsson
Re: Northumberland Development Project
Bit confusing at the end when we get to the direct quotes:
Not sure what to take from that. "Internal fit"??
Can't say I'm crazy about KSS's work, but their new WHL I do very much like, and there seems to be universal praise for their work on our training centre. So it's odd Levy would go to Populous, who most definitely cause me big concerns.
Bit confusing at the end when we get to the direct quotes:
Not sure what to take from that. "Internal fit"??
Can't say I'm crazy about KSS's work, but their new WHL I do very much like, and there seems to be universal praise for their work on our training centre. So it's odd Levy would go to Populous, who most definitely cause me big concerns.
Re: Northumberland Development Project
Interesting. While I liked the relative proximity of the seats to the pitch and the 'Wall' end, internally the ground was just too generic for my taste. I don't like the lowered corners which seem pretty pointless IMHO and I don't buy the air around the pitch argument either. The pitch at WHL is the best in the league and there is no compensation for it in the current stadium design.
Come on Daniel, lets have a stadium that looks as great on the inside as the current design looks on the outside.
Interesting. While I liked the relative proximity of the seats to the pitch and the 'Wall' end, internally the ground was just too generic for my taste. I don't like the lowered corners which seem pretty pointless IMHO and I don't buy the air around the pitch argument either. The pitch at WHL is the best in the league and there is no compensation for it in the current stadium design.
Come on Daniel, lets have a stadium that looks as great on the inside as the current design looks on the outside.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Re: Northumberland Development Project
Isn't this a knock on effect of a 'bowl' stadium? If all seating is at it's maximum rake, the seating on the four sides extends further back to the extent of the oval plan, than from the corners of the pitch, and therefore the highest seating at the corners end up lower? Personally I don't see a problem with the stands being parallel to the pitch with radial 'fan' shaped seating to link them at the corners - like WHL at the moment, but a bigger more refined version. This also must get the crowd closer to the pitch than a bowl, and a better atmosphere.
Isn't this a knock on effect of a 'bowl' stadium? If all seating is at it's maximum rake, the seating on the four sides extends further back to the extent of the oval plan, than from the corners of the pitch, and therefore the highest seating at the corners end up lower? Personally I don't see a problem with the stands being parallel to the pitch with radial 'fan' shaped seating to link them at the corners - like WHL at the moment, but a bigger more refined version. This also must get the crowd closer to the pitch than a bowl, and a better atmosphere.
paxtonwolf
Tony Marchi
Re: Northumberland Development Project
i still wished we could have done something similar to what Newcasstle did at SJP, and put an extra tier on say the Paxton and maybe even the East Stand...never mind though
i still wished we could have done something similar to what Newcasstle did at SJP, and put an extra tier on say the Paxton and maybe even the East Stand...never mind though
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It's not the optimal use of space though. A bowl would fit more seats - whether or not the income difference is enough to damage the fan experience remains to be seen.
It's not the optimal use of space though. A bowl would fit more seats - whether or not the income difference is enough to damage the fan experience remains to be seen.
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Les Medley
Re: Northumberland Development Project
How so? Surely the front of the stands at the centre line and behind the goals have to be further away in a bowl, as the minimum oval is determined by the pinch points at the corners. Therefore the pitch area is greater and so is the overall plan, no? Also seating and gangways that are generally square are more efficient space wise than a radial pattern? Square buildings are also cheaper than curved ones.
How so? Surely the front of the stands at the centre line and behind the goals have to be further away in a bowl, as the minimum oval is determined by the pinch points at the corners. Therefore the pitch area is greater and so is the overall plan, no? Also seating and gangways that are generally square are more efficient space wise than a radial pattern? Square buildings are also cheaper than curved ones.
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I don't know the answers to any of that as I have no interest at all in the architecture of stadia (other than ours). What I do know is that I've read the excuses as to why so many modern stadia are bowls and that's what the club/architects say every time.
I don't know the answers to any of that as I have no interest at all in the architecture of stadia (other than ours). What I do know is that I've read the excuses as to why so many modern stadia are bowls and that's what the club/architects say every time.
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Les Medley
Re: Northumberland Development Project
I can understand eliptical seating provides the optimum view from every seat, but I would rather have a better atmosphere and have to turn my head/get out the seat more. That's kind of part of the experience, rather than giving everyone a reason to stay seated all game. What with the shallow rakes and the increased distance from the pitch, it's all a bit anesthetized.
I can understand eliptical seating provides the optimum view from every seat, but I would rather have a better atmosphere and have to turn my head/get out the seat more. That's kind of part of the experience, rather than giving everyone a reason to stay seated all game. What with the shallow rakes and the increased distance from the pitch, it's all a bit anesthetized.
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Gudni Bergsson
Re: Northumberland Development Project
Nice job Hudd, but honestly, I would be shocked if Levy doesn't "get it" about the stadium. He knows that the things the fans want also make good economic sense.
A storming atmosphere, fans close to the pitch, a sexy, individual "Spurs" design etc...all those things provide considerable long term intangible benefits to the club. They aren't just about romance and the unreasonable demands of moaning fans. UA or HP or Pfeizer or whoever is more likely to want their badge stuck on an iconic stadium known throughout football as being unique rather than a bowl that repeats the mistakes of the Emirates.
I don't believe Levy would compromise that overall design ethos and the kudos it would bring just to squeeze in 5,000 more seats.
Nice job Hudd, but honestly, I would be shocked if Levy doesn't "get it" about the stadium. He knows that the things the fans want also make good economic sense.
A storming atmosphere, fans close to the pitch, a sexy, individual "Spurs" design etc...all those things provide considerable long term intangible benefits to the club. They aren't just about romance and the unreasonable demands of moaning fans. UA or HP or Pfeizer or whoever is more likely to want their badge stuck on an iconic stadium known throughout football as being unique rather than a bowl that repeats the mistakes of the Emirates.
I don't believe Levy would compromise that overall design ethos and the kudos it would bring just to squeeze in 5,000 more seats.
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Dean Richards
Re: Northumberland Development Project
Only if they turn up. The high prices are dependent on demand being greater than supply. A good atmosphere will help demand. From Levy's perspective the important factor is maximising revenue, not attendance, so I think the atmosphere is an important consideration because he can continue charging a premium for tickets.
Only if they turn up. The high prices are dependent on demand being greater than supply. A good atmosphere will help demand. From Levy's perspective the important factor is maximising revenue, not attendance, so I think the atmosphere is an important consideration because he can continue charging a premium for tickets.
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Gudni Bergsson
Re: Northumberland Development Project
£6m gross. The net figure is £6m minus whatever benefits an alternative design might have brought you in naming rights, corporate hospitality, event hosting, merchandising opportunities, the lure of the stadium to future signings and the potential for the design to improve performance on the pitch.
Besides, it can't be beyond the wit of man to find 5,000 more seats in design that isn't an identikit bowl.
£6m gross. The net figure is £6m minus whatever benefits an alternative design might have brought you in naming rights, corporate hospitality, event hosting, merchandising opportunities, the lure of the stadium to future signings and the potential for the design to improve performance on the pitch.
Besides, it can't be beyond the wit of man to find 5,000 more seats in design that isn't an identikit bowl.
Sandman
Jermaine Jenas
Re: Northumberland Development Project
That plan makes a lot of sense, would give the stadium a unique look, an intimidating atmosphere and the extra seats all in one go. Also with it being a more unique part of the design it could be the last section built so as we can move in when it is three quarters full to save on playing elsewhere etc. Would mean then that the home end would have to be at the park lane end of the stadium. That is where all the singing is these days anyway.
I just dont understand why the stadiums have to be bowls to to improve sight lines. Its not that hard to look a little left etc. If the East Stand was not such a peice of **** and the west stand not so small in the seats it can hold i wold have rather we did up the stadium like Old trafford.
That plan makes a lot of sense, would give the stadium a unique look, an intimidating atmosphere and the extra seats all in one go. Also with it being a more unique part of the design it could be the last section built so as we can move in when it is three quarters full to save on playing elsewhere etc. Would mean then that the home end would have to be at the park lane end of the stadium. That is where all the singing is these days anyway.
I just dont understand why the stadiums have to be bowls to to improve sight lines. Its not that hard to look a little left etc. If the East Stand was not such a peice of **** and the west stand not so small in the seats it can hold i wold have rather we did up the stadium like Old trafford.
Craig_J
Mido
Re: Northumberland Development Project
This stadium thing is starting to blow my mind away to be honest. 7 years ago I thought it would for sure be completed by 2016, in the space of about 2 years ago the progress we were making was actually quite good. Now I don't even know what's going on to cause all this delay, it always seems to be something. Are the club actually trying to deal with this on a daily basis or do they just wait for the shareholder meetings which occur once in a blue moon to debate all this?!
This stadium thing is starting to blow my mind away to be honest. 7 years ago I thought it would for sure be completed by 2016, in the space of about 2 years ago the progress we were making was actually quite good. Now I don't even know what's going on to cause all this delay, it always seems to be something. Are the club actually trying to deal with this on a daily basis or do they just wait for the shareholder meetings which occur once in a blue moon to debate all this?!