Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I guess it is because last time (in the Cup), we were incapable of preventing them from exploiting the space in front of the back four. Compressing the play gives their playmakers less room to manoeuvre.

to play a high line against a team like Arsanal is always asking for trouble imo. Sitting deeper, compressing the play by being compact and organised, and then press the sh!t out of them works better i think. If we selected the right team we had the running ability to hit them on the counter attack

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That's really unfair Steff.

- Levy put £30m of cold hard cash on the table for Willian only for the player to flake at the last minute.
- Villa and Contrao simply didn't want to come to Spurs and both made that abundantly clear in public. Nothing at all to be done about that.
- On Damiao, Spurs' interest in him pre-dated AVB's arrival if I recall correctly, and I think if AVB had wanted him we'd have gotten him. But I don't think AVB did want him - by most accounts AVB wanted Soldado, which was probably a better call at the time given Damiao's less than stellar form and the lack of interest from other European clubs in him (Spurs are the only club I've ever heard linked with him).
- On Moutinho, maybe we could have gotten him, but we were competing with one of the richest clubs in the world in Monaco. I wouldn't be surprised if Moutinho's salary, which is tax free in Monaco, is close on double what he'd have gotten at Spurs. Expecting us to trump that is not reasonable. I'd also question the player's attitude/ambition not going to a bigger league at this point in his career. At 27 he had the choice of one last big contract or one last big professional challenge, and he chose the former. Meh.
- AVB's other gripe, about Hulk, is ridiculous because it translates as: "Spurs should have been able to land one of the highest paid players in world football who is currently Brazil's first choice striker". I mean, we've lost all perspective if we think that's a reasonable stick to beat Levy with.

Thing with Moutinho is he was there and we could've had him. AVB wanted him and made it clear the second he took the job, DL arsed about until the final minutes…I am led to believe that Villa could've been tied up earlier but Levy was hedging his bets thinking we were the only game in town, but would certainly say that's not 100% solid so will share that…Contrao again was someone I heard we could've had if we'd moved earlier when he wanted him…agree totally with Hulk and yes, the Willian deal was really really poor luck and I'd agree that we were right not to give in to Jorabchian's outrageous last-minute demands. Hulk? again, I agree BUT in light of who he didn't get that he really wanted, perhaps he should've been indulged given what we spent money on that he agreed to only by committee…

Interesting discussion, especially as I am someone who has backed Levy over the years but finds myself at a vanishing point in terms of what I think with regards to him. Put it this way; I feel he HAS to change and I feel he HAS to give someone at least 3 seasons and stay out of their business. But some good discussion points raised by your good self for sure mate...

 

[We are Tottenham]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sorry but,.. give over you tart...

Whats your hang up with being English, what's that got to do with it, why would you mention that, it's your hang up not anyone elses.

And last weeks capitulation at Chelsea had everything to do with bad attitude, **** all to do with tactics, please tell me otherwise. It's your forum to prove me wrong as I clearly am with your victriotic reply.

I sympathize with Sherwood..It would be hard for him next season if he were to stay...but I like a bit of Passion ..

 

[lurker of old]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think we all feel that it is downhill from here, but we played ok on Sunday: if Chadli had scored, we would be applauding Tim for transferring his passion to the players. Certainly feel that Tim can't afford any more touchline shennagigans: the press will think he has lost the plot and go for him big time.

Amazing really: AVB and TS, both lacking experience in managing in the Premier League.....who gets them? Spurs. You have to laugh!!!!

 

[Raziel]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

to play a high line against a team like Arsanal is always asking for trouble imo. Sitting deeper, compressing the play by being compact and organised, and then press the sh!t out of them works better i think. If we selected the right team we had the running ability to hit them on the counter attack

High line +pressing is not that risky
High line with no pressing = suicide as it allows the opposition to pick that pass through/over to expose you.

If you want to play high line or not, different argument, but any idiot should know you can't play high line and give the opposition playmakers space.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

High line +pressing is not that risky
High line with no pressing = suicide as it allows the opposition to pick that pass through/over to expose you.

If you want to play high line or not, different argument, but any idiot should know you can't play high line and give the opposition playmakers space.

How about... play a high line and let Sandro steam forward and lunge into challenges deep in the opposition territory whilst Vertonghen has gone missing and Bentaleb is last man but decides not to make a challenge?

 

[Cochise]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

An example of when the high line failed: Bentaleb lost Oxlade Chamberlain in what he perceived was the midfield only to realise that he was in fact level with his two centre halves. With a pacy runner like that the high line is a problem as a half decently weighted pass over the top can be all it takes. On the other hand though it worked well when we did press as both Vertonghen and Kaboul had time to bring the ball down on many an occasion when Arsenal tried to hit the front man.

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

How have I only just seen this :ross:

[vine]MhZHUb2nOP0[/vine]

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

How have I only just seen this :ross:

[vine]MhZHUb2nOP0[/vine]

If you watch that for 10 minutes, it almost seems like the sort of installation art you might see at White Cube LOL!!!

 

[Cochise]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Maybe we turned him away from the dark side after his time playing and coaching for us??

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

How have I only just seen this :ross:

[vine]MhZHUb2nOP0[/vine]

Outrageous!! KILL HIM

Seriously who cares who he used to support. It has no real relevance with regards to his ability or lack of for his current job.

 

[superfaisty]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Do people think now that it's pretty much a write off a top four finish, Tim might relax a bit more and with f all to play for the lads might play better? Or is that wishful thinking?

Could the players just not give a crap now and our season falls apart ? No win situation for Tim now me thinks

 

[Seedy Ron]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Seriously who cares who he used to support. It has no real relevance with regards to his ability or lack of for his current job.

Agreed, but it's him mentioning it. Just more guff to try and keep the fans onside.

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

An example of when the high line failed: Bentaleb lost Oxlade Chamberlain in what he perceived was the midfield only to realise that he was in fact level with his two centre halves. With a pacy runner like that the high line is a problem as a half decently weighted pass over the top can be all it takes. On the other hand though it worked well when we did press as both Vertonghen and Kaboul had time to bring the ball down on many an occasion when Arsenal tried to hit the front man.

It took avb months to work out the kinks in his high line system.

To Sherwood's credit we weren't actually exposed too often, and part of that (bentelab) could easily be attributed to lack of experience.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It took avb months to work out the kinks in his high line system.

Those kinks were worked out and fixed though. Why break them only to try and fix them again?

Rhetorical question by the way - I know the answer:

Doing the opposite of what the last guy did seemed like a good idea to YTS until he discovered that football management is actually really hard. Maybe if he just puts everything back where he found it and steps away slowly nobody will notice the cracks.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Those kinks were worked out and fixed though. Why break them only to try and fix them again?

Rhetorical question by the way - I know the answer:

Doing the opposite of what the last guy did seemed like a good idea to YTS until he discovered that football management is actually really hard. Maybe if he just puts everything back where he found it and steps away slowly nobody will notice the cracks.

I think that it was dropped because of the players that were available at the time and because Sherwood started with a simple formation because of lack of time on a training field, fixture congestion and he inherited a team low on confidence.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think that it was dropped because of the players that were available at the time and because Sherwood started with a simple formation because of lack of time on a training field, fixture congestion and he inherited a team low on confidence.

I don't get the lack of confidence references that I keep hearing. We were continually bouncing back from losses - I don't think a team low on confidence does that.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't get the lack of confidence references that I keep hearing. We were continually bouncing back from losses - I don't think a team low on confidence does that.

He certainly didn't inherit a steady ship. By many accounts, AVB had managed to fall out with half the club, the non Portuguese coaches and had withdrawn into his shell like he did at Chelsea.

I think that the thrashings we suffered dented the confidence of the players. We were playing within ourselves. Whilst results were mixed, performances were pretty flat.

 

[El Guepardo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

When Sherwood said that he was the biggest Spurs fan, did you see where he was looking? At the floor!

If you've lied and want to hide the lie, where do you look when confronted? The floor. I'm sure it's a psychological thing but if he was being honest, why not talk to the camera?

Seems dodge to me.

 

[Baleforce]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Outrageous!! KILL HIM

Seriously who cares who he used to support. It has no real relevance with regards to his ability or lack of for his current job.

you say that (and I'm sure in this case it's right), but if I was in position to take the goon job, I'd always do just enough to keep it, but as little to hurt them as much as I possibly could