Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[Seedy Ron]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Tim Sherwood came out tonight, said what was needed to be said and went up in my estimation for it.

Just wish he would stop playing fcuking Lennon.

It's all talk though isn't it, unless we see something on the pitch.

What has given you the indication that these are the kinds of players he wants? Especially considering that unlike AVB for example, he has regularly played apparently the one player at the club who can play in cm and pass the ball well with any consistency?

I thought he was just listing **** players who'd cost thirty quid. Combined.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

What has given you the indication that these are the kinds of players he wants? Especially considering that unlike AVB for example, he has regularly played apparently the one player at the club who can play in cm and pass the ball well with any consistency?

The interview today and the degree of marginalisation of our 3 best ballplayers (Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen)

 

[Armchair Expert]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That is the other alternative, fighting fire with fire. Though FFP might mean it's too late for us to get some oil-rich douche.

But we have to do one or the other -- or we're just gonna limp on, as a worse version of Arsenal. I'd like us to stand for something more than that, and for me, it'd be developing our own players and getting back to the traditions of the club

actually maybe this one. top stuff. sign me up.

 

[Luda2013]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Who do you think he'd sign if he was given the summer and £30m? Genuine question.

Personally I don't think the players he'd want really exist anymore. Players like Parker and Bellamy were pretty much an end of an era. I'm really struggling - Jack Rodwell? Cattermole? Charlie Adam?

Not sure but if it were me I'd look to get in someone like Lovren, Hernandez, Lallana and maybe even James Milner and Lescott

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

He did a very similar thing with AZ to that which needs to be done to us. Similar constraints etc.

GB youre starting to remind me of the kind of guy that is in a relationship with a cute girl but unhappily yet rather than focus on why its going to pot - you just want rid of the current GF thinking that a newer more glamorous gf will solve everything. The problem is, this new girl wont make you happy because the problems arent with the girl but with yourself and the old GF knows you better than most to help you sort yo **** out. If you cant sort out your own **** then no girl will satisfy you.

This seems to be whats happening with our club, our issues are inherent and needs someone long term. In my view though NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES WE CHANGE MANAGERS WE WILL NEVER SUCCEED UNTIL WE CHANGE THE EVIDENT ISSUES THAT IS INHERENT AND SEEMINGLY SYNONYMOUS WITH OUR GREAT CLUB. I think it needs someone to take the bull by the horns and do it long term - TS is that ****in man - knows the club inside and out. None of this LVG **** in my opinion. Youre just trying to get someone glamorous to cover up your own insecurities so to speak.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The interview today and the degree of marginalisation of our 3 best ballplayers (Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen)

You mean the same Lamela who AVB refused to give more than 1 league start to? And the same Eriksen who was dropped for Holtby after one bad game against West Ham? And the same Soldado who was misfiring hence Sherwood bringing Adebayor back which led to us scoring more goals as a team?

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The interview today and the degree of marginalisation of our 3 best ballplayers (Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen)

How has he marginalised Lamela? Sherwood's been in charge for 13 games and had Lamela available for about two of them? Eriksen had played virtually every game up until a couple of weeks ago and Soldado has still featured in most of them. AVB barely played Lamela at all, he dropped Eriksen and had Defoe ahead of Soldado for a few games.

 

[Hootnow]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The interview today and the degree of marginalisation of our 3 best ballplayers (Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen)

I really find some of your views baffling.

Soldado played 14 league matches under AVB. He's played 9 under Sherwood and this is despite Sherwood having a revitalised Adebayor as well. 2 Europa for both. Soldado has likely never played as badly as he has during his isolated half season under AVB.

Lamela played 6 times under AVB in the league. 3 times for Sherwood. 6 in Europa and 0.

Eriksen played 7 times in the league under AVB. He's played 9 times under Sherwood. 5 in the Europa vs 2 for Sherwood.

AVB was in charge for 16 league games and 6 Europa, vs Sherwood who has had 13 and 2.

Basically, Soldado 16/ 22 for AVB and 11/15 for Sherwood.
Lamela 12/22 for AVB and 3/15 for Sherwood.
Eriksen 12/22 for AVB and 11/15 for Sherwood.

Can you see where your incredible biases may be getting in the way of you looking at the situation in any kind of objective way?

Lamela, Eriksen and Soldado all looked like complete mugs under the last manager (and I still supported him). It would be great if you could argue about the many faults of Sherwood without having to make things up.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You mean the same Lamela who AVB refused to give more than 1 league start to? And the same Eriksen who was dropped for Holtby after one bad game against West Ham? And the same Soldado who was misfiring hence Sherwood bringing Adebayor back which led to us scoring more goals as a team?

Add to that that since TS has been in charge Lamelas been injured, Soldados been **** (But TS has continually supported him in the press) and Eriksen (who Sherwood apparently pushed to sign) was saying the other week that he's really enjoying playing under him

 

[DubaiSpur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Who do you think he'd sign if he was given the summer and £30m? Genuine question.

Personally I don't think the players he'd want really exist anymore. Players like Parker and Bellamy were pretty much an end of an era. I'm really struggling - Jack Rodwell? Cattermole? Charlie Adam?

Steven Defour, Patrice Evra and Phil Jagielka. Defour because he's exactly the kind of tenacious, never-say-die player we need now. Evra because despite all his ****ishness and his declining ability, he's won it all and he wouldn't accept the kind of performance we put in today. Jagielka because he's like a mouthier, slightly more mobile Dawson, and we need somebody at the back with the communication skills to prevent mishaps like today.

Basically, players that would provide the leadership and never-say-die attitude we were missing today. And I don't think that's entirely a bad thing.

If you gave him more money that just 30 million quid, I'd imagine he'd go for higher-grade versions of the above players, but that's the type he'd go for.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

We might have been two of the only ones mate, he got coated often here, but to me, he always worked like a ****ing dog, got stuck in and never ever EVER hid. major plus points. PLUS he scuffed two yarders in! That Bentaleb roller in the first-half? Sort of thing Dempsey would end up scuffing in back-post...

Exactly. He was a 'lucky' player as well. How often would he find himself in those positions?

I've seen very few players who drew fouls as well as him either. First MOTD with him back at Fulham. First thing I see? Dempsey winning a freekick.

Have to admit, I did smile. What a guy.

Add me to the Dempsey fan club! He weren't the most technically gifted player who would score worldies for the Goal of the Month contests but he was a fighter and a predator in the penalty area who came up with key goals such as that winner at Old Trafford to end the 23 year hoodoo and the first goal of that epic 3-1 comeback victory against ManC =D>

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That is the other alternative, fighting fire with fire. Though FFP might mean it's too late for us to get some oil-rich douche.

But we have to do one or the other -- or we're just gonna limp on, as a worse version of Arsenal. I'd like us to stand for something more than that, and for me, it'd be developing our own players and getting back to the traditions of the club

Actually a rich sheik can build the stadium and write the debt off.. as stadium debt does not count against FFP, so it would, could be beneficial.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

GB youre starting to remind me of the kind of guy that is in a relationship with a cute girl but unhappily yet rather than focus on why its going to pot - you just want rid of the current GF thinking that a newer more glamorous gf will solve everything. The problem is, this new girl wont make you happy because the problems arent with the girl but with yourself and the old GF knows you better than most to help you sort yo **** out. If you cant sort out your own **** then no girl will satisfy you.

This seems to be whats happening with our club, our issues are inherent and needs someone long term. In my view though NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES WE CHANGE MANAGERS WE WILL NEVER SUCCEED UNTIL WE CHANGE THE EVIDENT ISSUES THAT IS INHERENT AND SEEMINGLY SYNONYMOUS WITH OUR GREAT CLUB. I think it needs someone to take the bull by the horns and do it long term - TS is that ****in man - knows the club inside and out. None of this LVG **** in my opinion. Youre just trying to get someone glamorous to cover up your own insecurities so to speak.

Sherwood is a product of our failures. He was part of the club during its darkest days.

You don't solve a problem by giving it to someone completely institutionalised to it. You want a fresh pair of eyes and someone who knows what success is and how to bring it about.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood is a product of our failures. He was part of the club during its darkest days.

You don't solve a problem by giving it to someone completely institutionalised to it. You want a fresh pair of eyes and someone who knows what success is and how to bring it about.

oh no you didnt!

er ok Tim has been head of youth set-up and hepled nuture players into our first team. How in the name of Zeus's butt-hole can he be acountable for the top level decisions at the club??? oh I forgot he had Levy's ear and bended it to his will...

Utter utter pig swill.....LVG has known sucess and also failure.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood is a product of our failures. He was part of the club during its darkest days.

You don't solve a problem by giving it to someone completely institutionalised to it. You want a fresh pair of eyes and someone who knows what success is and how to bring it about.

I was a big fan of AVB, but let me make it very clear…his REFUSAL to stay and fight, his REFUSAL to convince the board to stick with him, and his REFUSAL to show some real, and I mean REAL, balls when the crunch was on, saw me lose a ****load of respect for him. At the end of the day, he wanted out halfway through the season. He didn't want it enough. Why? Because he'd been ****ed by Baldini? ****ed by Levy? WHOEVER he was ****ed by, he ran away halfway through the season and made it a moot point departure/sacking/whatever you want to call it. He showed a lack of balls. He was happy to go.

I was not ever a big fan of Sherwood. He has been a ruthless power-broker behind the scenes since he returned, and his ambition is equally as ruthless. It's obvious that Levy looked to appoint someone else first but couldn't get the commitment, thus Sherwood got the gig. But what option did Levy have at the end of the day? I am not denying that he is a major part of the problems we currently have, but the fact remains that AVB forced his hand. So what should he have done there?

AVB is a part of this season's mess. As is Levy. As are the players. As is Sherwood. Of the four of them, it is Sherwood who carries the least responsibility IMO. You could argue that the players should be ashamed of themselves given that it's two managers they're farted around on...

 

[sc25]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I too liked Dempsey. Gave 100%, productive, scored goals.

But he wasn't really a Tottenham-type player. We'd rather have someone with no end product like Lennon, who does sweet f-all except pass 5 yards backwards and sideways...but who somehow looks good doing it (at least in our eyes anyway). Which, is similar to many of our current players actually. They receive a pass and, without even looking up, pass it straight back from whence it came.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

oh no you didnt!

er ok Tim has been head of youth set-up and hepled nuture players into our first team. How in the name of Zeus's butt-hole can he be acountable for the top level decisions at the club??? oh I forgot he had Levy's ear and bended it to his will...

Utter utter pig swill.....LVG has known sucess and also failure.

I meant the 90s - George Graham and co.

Sherwood has never been head of the youth setup either - that's John McDermott. He did 15 months as U18/next gen coach.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I meant the 90s - George Graham and co.

Sherwood has never been head of the youth setup either - that's John McDermott. He did 15 months as U18/next gen coach.

ok I see...his playing days. fair do's if thats what you think.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not sure about his press conference.

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He's looking for a reaction from the players

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He may isolate people
The team played well until Verts made a mistake. A slip. Then the ref sent off Kaboul. You don't punish genuine errors like that. Shi1 happens you can't control.


In some ways, if I'd busted a gut out there, I'd want TS to at least acknowledge that. There was some good signs. It was not all doom. But I like his attitude. He is not happy with loosing and wants a reaction. For this not to happen. That is good. Just don't loose the players in the process.

I think he was upset as maybe he saw 4th and his job slipping away. But if he wins the EL, I'd give him the job, so all to play for, and there are a chunk of games left in the league. If TS stays, I'd a like a more experienced coach in there with him. You need all the support you can get.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Add me to the Dempsey fan club! He weren't the most technically gifted player who would score worldies for the Goal of the Month contests but he was a fighter and a predator in the penalty area who came up with key goals such as that winner at Old Trafford to end the 23 year hoodoo and the first goal of that epic 3-1 comeback victory against ManC =D>

Me too! Every team aiming to gatecrash the top 4 needs at least one or two players like Clint. I loved that guy and his scruffy goals in-between sublime moments of skill (goal away vs Stoke, plus goals away vs Basle etc).