This Paolo Di Canio Business

[King of Norway]

I find it incredible that any club wants to have a self-confessed fascist as their manager. If it was Spurs, I would find it extremely difficult to take as a supporter. Fair play to this Miliband-bloke for resigning.

 

[onlyme]

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I find it incredible that any club wants to have a self-confessed fascist as their manager. If it was Spurs, I would find it extremely difficult to take as a supporter. Fair play to this Miliband-bloke for resigning.

You know what, that is entirely correct.

Once the English papers get on this... nothing will happen..

 

[Spursalot]

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You know what, that is entirely correct.

Once the English papers get on this... nothing will happen..

I know. GHod forbid he be allowed his own political views.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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You know what, that is entirely correct.

Once the English papers get on this... nothing will happen..

You've got to remember that Fascism is a pretty wide ranging term in it's strictest political context. The original Italian Fascism, however bad it was, is nowhere near to the sheer evil genocidal madness of the German Fascism of the Third Reich.

From a purely Spurs perspective, he might be the right sort of guy to gee up the team for a surprise point against Chelsea. Doubt it though.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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I find it incredible that any club wants to have a self-confessed fascist as their manager. If it was Spurs, I would find it extremely difficult to take as a supporter. Fair play to this Miliband-bloke for resigning.

This! I would stop supporting the club, if Spurs appointed fascist scum as manager.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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You've got to remember that Fascism is a pretty wide ranging term in it's strictest political context. The original Italian Fascism, however bad it was, is nowhere near to the sheer evil genocidal madness of the German Fascism of the Third Reich.

From a purely Spurs perspective, he might be the right sort of guy to gee up the team for a surprise point against Chelsea. Doubt it though.

Read some history. The Italian fascists allowed the nazis to deport italian jews to the death camps. There is no such thing as fascist lite I'm afraid. They are all evil scum!

 

[Howard Webb]

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Italian fascists not as bad? Are you fudging kidding me

Tell that to those spurs fans destroyed at Lazio. The only thing these people understand is violence, and terror. They get stronger every time some macaron appeases them.

fudges sake

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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Read some history. The Italian fascists allowed the nazis to deport italian jews to the death camps. There is no such thing as fascist lite I'm afraid. They are all evil scum!

Italian fascists not as bad? Are you fudging kidding me

Tell that to those spurs fans destroyed at Lazio. The only thing these people understand is violence, and terror. They get stronger every time some macaron appeases them.

fudges sake

I'm sorry, but I suggest you read your history. The word fascism as used today is generally used pejoratively as an insult for anyone who has views that you don't agree with.

I was referring to the original Italian Fascism of the 1920's. It was not anti-Semitic, in fact there were Jewish fascists at the time. It's not an ideology I adhere to, but I don't find it offensive for someone to believe in the original forms of fascism. Mussolini openly mocked Hitler's idea of racial superiority:

"Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. Amusingly enough, not one of those who have proclaimed the "nobility" of the Teutonic race was himself a Teuton. Gobineau was a Frenchman, (Houston Stewart) Chamberlain, an Englishman; Woltmann, a Jew; Lapouge, another Frenchman."

There is intelligence in that, none of the delusional lunacy of Hitler. Mussolini is a far more interesting and complex character than Hitler. It was his great mistake to side with Hitler which destroyed him, but he refused to allow Jews to be deported to Germany, that was only done when he was ousted from power and the Germans occupied Italy.

But it is a pretty dumb idea, given the events associated with it, for anyone to openly call themselves a fascist.

 

[Yid (Israel)]

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I think it's safe to say that someone that calls himself a fascist today is more likely than not linked to Nazi views, and Di Canio himself did give the Nazi salute after he scored a goal for Lazio... Fair play for Milband, man of principles.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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I think it's safe to say that someone that calls himself a fascist today is more likely than not linked to Nazi views, and Di Canio himself did give the Nazi salute after he scored a goal for Lazio... Fair play for Milband, man of principles.

The Nazi Salute is actually of ancient Roman origin, revived by the early Italian fascists. It was nicked by the Nazis and it's forever tainted by that association, so, again, it's a pretty dumb thing to do these days.

I don't believe Di Canio has Nazi sympathies, but don't doubt there's a lot of dumb Lazio fans who do.

If we do make it to the Europa League final, I'd love us to play them in Amsterdam. They'll be riot for sure and they'll get some pay back.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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I'm sorry, but I suggest you read your history. The word fascism as used today is generally used pejoratively as an insult for anyone who has views that you don't agree with.

I was referring to the original Italian Fascism of the 1920's. It was not anti-Semitic, in fact there were Jewish fascists at the time. It's not an ideology I adhere to, but I don't find it offensive for someone to believe in the original forms of fascism. Mussolini openly mocked Hitler's idea of racial superiority:

"Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. Amusingly enough, not one of those who have proclaimed the "nobility" of the Teutonic race was himself a Teuton. Gobineau was a Frenchman, (Houston Stewart) Chamberlain, an Englishman; Woltmann, a Jew; Lapouge, another Frenchman."

There is intelligence in that, none of the delusional lunacy of Hitler. Mussolini is a far more interesting and complex character than Hitler. It was his great mistake to side with Hitler which destroyed him, but he refused to allow Jews to be deported to Germany, that was only done when he was ousted from power and the Germans occupied Italy.

But it is a pretty dumb idea, given the events associated with it, for anyone to openly call themselves a fascist.

Who are you trying to kid? There was no misunderstanding concerning the modern perjorative use of the word. You are sounding more and more like an apologist I'm afraid. So according to you, there were good fascists in the twenties and bad ones after that and all that unpleasantless was down to dear old Adolf. Mussolini was an evil prick of the first order and so were the scum who followed him. So what of the if Jews were transported to the death camps after Mussolini's capture. I blamed the fascists for that and not Mussolini himself. (Read My post.) Yes there were ****roaches in the movement even more sinister than Mussolini himself. You could say that Himmler or Goebbels were worse that Hitler, is that any defence of Hitler? Of course not. Yet the remark is made that the Italian fascists were not as bad as the Nazis so... You suffer from moral relativism, a growing malaise in the 21st century.

 

[Spursalot]

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Who are you trying to kid? There was no misunderstanding concerning the modern perjorative use of the word. You are sounding more and more like an apologist I'm afraid. So according to you, there were good fascists in the twenties and bad ones after that and all that unpleasantless was down to dear old Adolf. Mussolini was an evil prick of the first order and so were the scum who followed him. So what of the if Jews were transported to the death camps after Mussolini's capture. I blamed the fascists for that and not Mussolini himself. (Read My post.) Yes there were ****roaches in the movement even more sinister than Mussolini himself. You could say that Himmler or Goebbels were worse that Hitler, is that any defence of Hitler? Of course not. Yet the remark is made that the Italian fascists were not as bad as the Nazis so... You suffer from moral relativism, a growing malaise in the 21st century.

Using the evils of some to tar the many?

That's not a very perceptive view.

 

[Armchair Expert]

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Fascism is not overtly racist. It was more or less an experiment by Mussolini in ultra-statism.

It was designed to try and blur the lines between the Italian nation and the Italian state. It certainly wasn't in essence an overtly racist movement.

I had to write a paper on it for my history degree last year. Although the rise of fascism was accompanied by violence it was largely political violence, often in the countryside (apart from the strikes in Piedmont and the march on Rome) and directed at left wing activists.

It was nationalistic, statist but certainly not a racist experiment im afraid.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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Liked the subtlety of the last sentence Bonsaiboy. Right on the money, "given the events associated with it" that's right, fascist rarely label themselves as such these days. They go by different names. They dont wear black shirts either, thet attempt to present themselves as 'reasonable.'

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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Using the evils of some to tar the many?

That's not a very perceptive view.

Yeah tarring the many, the many who my grandfather spent five years shooting in WWII. He would be spinning in his grave, reading some of the revisionist brick on here. I have written papers on fascism too and nowhere on here have said that their's was racist ideology. I said they allowed the Nazis to deport the Jews, which is a fact!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Spursalot]

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Yeah tarring the many, the many who my grandfather spent five years shooting in WWII. He would be spinning in his grave, reading some of the revisionist brick on here. I have written papers on fascism too and nowhere on here have said that their's was racist ideology. I said they allowed the Nazis to deport the Jews, which is a fact!!!!!!!!!!

So this is more about Nazis than it is about Facists?


All Nazis are Facists, not all Facists are Nazis though.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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So this is more about Nazis than it is about Facists?


All Nazis are Facists, not all Facists are Nazis though.

I oppose fascism for all sorts of reasons. I am making the case that the Italian fascists were evil. You know like helping the nazis to deport jews. They may not have been overtly racist, but they still did lots of bad things, like murdering political opponents, usually communists, socialists and anarchists. They also locked thousands up as political prisonors. Not as bad as nazis, but still bastards of the highest order. More moral relativism.

 

[Armchair Expert]

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So this is more about Nazis than it is about Facists?


All Nazis are Facists, not all Facists are Nazis though.

That's not necessarily true: Nazism was an ideology passed on purity of race and on eugenics concerned with the superiority of one race over another. Fascism really was an attempt at ultra-statism, to life the state above the individual and to blur all civil, cultural and political boundaries between the nation and the state.

They are two differing ideologies.

 

[Spursalot]

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I oppose fascism for all sorts of reasons. I am making the case that the Italian fascists were evil. You know like helping the nazis to deport jews. They may not have been overtly racist, but they still did lots of bad things, like murdering political opponents, usually communists, socialists and anarchists. They also locked thousands up as political prisonors. Not as bad as nazis, but still bastards of the highest order. More moral relativism.

The past tense of this suggests you have no idea what 'modern' italian fascism actually is.

 

[Spursalot]

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That's not necessarily true: Nazism was an ideology passed on purity of race and on eugenics concerned with the superiority of one race over another. Fascism really was an attempt at ultra-statism, to life the state above the individual and to blur all civil, cultural and political boundaries between the nation and the state.

They are two differing ideologies.

They are?

Ah fair enough, i did not realise the distinction.