These jokers…

[Jurgen the German]

Bindippers

They’ve won every trophy there is to win other than the conference league. I’d say their main failing has been defending the league titles they’ve won. They’ve been awful defending champions on both occasions where they’ve won it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

That's fair and I think I'm just especially bitter after the past few years of failure and decline.
We were so close and we've somehow managed to go backwards.

I’m not sure it is fair. We’ve undoubtedly been in a decline since Poch left which has culminated in finishing 17th in the league and could ultimately end up with relegation this season. Even if you made the case that ENIC/Levy did a very good job for the first team 10-15 years, why should they get a life pass when players and managers don’t get that luxury? How many more years of decline should we tolerate?

 

[McFlash]

I’m not sure it is fair. We’ve undoubtedly been in a decline since Poch left which has culminated in finishing 17th in the league and could ultimately end up with relegation this season. Even if you made the case that ENIC/Levy did a very good job for the first team 10-15 years, why should they get a life pass when players and managers don’t get that luxury? How many more years of decline should we tolerate?

Yeah, that's why I think Levy had got us as far as he was able, he just didn't have the ambition and willingness to take a calculated risk and push on that little bit more.
I was more than ready for him to go because as far as I'm concerned, he's failed us badly on the football side of things so while I'm not sure the "kids" are the answer, it's probably worth giving them a chance before rolling the dice in a whole new owner who could end end like the Glasners.

 

[braineclipse]

Yeah, that's why I think Levy had got us as far as he was able, he just didn't have the ambition and willingness to take a calculated risk and push on that little bit more.
I was more than ready for him to go because as far as I'm concerned, he's failed us badly on the football side of things so while I'm not sure the "kids" are the answer, it's probably worth giving them a chance before rolling the dice in a whole new owner who could end end like the Glasners.

To me Levy was getting back to what for me seems like the best strategy for us. A clear DoF type in place, a focus on younger players with more established players mixed in. Get out of the Mourinho and Conte short term focus. Get away from the defensive solidity boring football approach.

Though I think that is the best strategy for us (as long as the owners aren't injecting massive amounts of money) that's also a strategy that takes time to make happen. Takes years to develop those younger players properly.

What happened then in the summer and fall to me is baffling. Particularly as Paratici was given a DoF role again and reportedly didn't want Frank. Flip flop back to defensive first football.

If that was on Levy I would agree that his time here was up. A bridge too far. I'm not sure it was.

For the new people in charge they've used up any good will they may have had from just not being Levy in no time and we're in a really difficult situation now. We're months past the rumours of Paratici leaving starting (and given what happened probably those rumours were true). We have no clarity, no DoF. Lange talking about not panicking as we slide into a relegation battle, Frank being half backed in January only to then be sacked.

Would that have been dealt with better by Levy? Would Paratici who was quite clearly Levy's man still be here had Levy still been here? Impossible to know. But we know Levy had experience dealing with situations like this. I'm not so sure about the new lot.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Lucky for them that we’re a rather more phlegmatic bunch than Torino fans

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