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The Space Thread

DTA said:
Science doesn't do anything of the sort. Anyone who professes proof one way or another is just simply wrong
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Well it does because the ideas taught in the bible have no scientific backing for what we know and can prove today.

The Adam and Eve theory that two people could populate an entire planet which was taken as a literally reading is scientifically impossible...for example

The reason religious beliefs have survived so long is because it’s not till the last 200 years that people could escape the cycle of, born, told there is a GHod as a kid, believe it as any kid believes anything an icon in their life tells them (more in previous centuries as knowing now better) and continue and continue.

Believe it or not I’m fascinated with religion and read a lot about it and history, the way people used objects as worship points, I also believe in many cases it’s been a force for good, in others not so like the financial side to the Catholic Church which seems slightly contradicting of the religion etc, so I see it on many levels.

But the idea that GHod exists and his son was on earth from immaculate conception, did all the black magic tricks written, died was reborn etc is just fantasy writings to embellish a strong story.

It’s a good story but that’s all it is
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Well it does because the ideas taught in the bible have no scientific backing for what we know and can prove today.

The Adam and Eve theory that two people could populate an entire planet which was taken as a literally reading is scientifically impossible...for example
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Who is talking about the bible? Or any other specific religion?
 
DTA said:
Who is talking about the bible? Or any other specific religion?
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I am that’s why I mentioned it, I’ve been specific about it. That’s where the idea of GHod and creationism from Genesis

Although the same could be said for other religions beliefs in gods where they worships images

The idea of first cause and that being GHod is one that is disproved anyway in simple terms of where did he come from.

Anyway like said previously in life it’s down to the theorist to prove existences not the atheist.
 
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Grays_1890 said:
I am that’s why I mentioned it, I’ve been specific about it. That’s where the idea of GHod and creationism from Genesis

Although the same could be said for other religions beliefs in gods where they worships images
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So what you mean is that science has proven that some of the stories in the bible/torah/koran are extremely unlikely to be literal interpretations of events.

But science hasn't proven the existence or non existence of GHod.
 
DTA said:
So what you mean is that science has proven that some of the stories in the bible/torah/koran are extremely unlikely to be literal interpretations of events.

But science hasn't proven the existence or non existence of GHod.
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Well science proves that the vast majority of the items listed in the bible are not just extremely unlikely but lies.

Therefore religion can’t really claim credibility when they make their first claim that GHod existed out of thin air because thereafter the stories are scientifically disproved, unless you also believe in fairies then it’s plausible

The reliability of the bible or scriptures is terrible considering they changed and got more outlandish up till the book of John when the stories became so over the top. And that’s the point, religion is not a reliable enough source to explain things.

I will meet you half way here and say science disproves the bible and beliefs at every stage working back till the existence of GHod in which you have to ask where to you draw the line on all the Metaphors and Parables and say this isn’t the truth, it’s faith and the reason the word faith is used is because you can’t give proof on the words alone.

That’s all for me on it as much as I can talk about it all night.
 
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Rorschach said:
What if they operate in one of the other 6 dimensions we can't access? What if they have evolved to beings of pure consciousness? How would we know of them unless they told us. There could be one standing (er...floating) beside you now.
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The more I read, watch and listen to the phenomenon the more I believe it's inter dimensional beings not so much extra terrestrial
 
DTA said:
That is a very narrow way of looking at the existence of a GHod or gods.

Not looking to get in to theological debate especially with Scara about ;)

But was just interested to see what you thought was proof.
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Nobody can disprove existence.

The onus is on those who claim there is a GHod to prove existence - something they patently cannot do.
 
Ricky Gervais put it a great way. If you chucked religion and science in the bin and we started from scratch religion wouldn’t make a comeback because it’s unproven where as eventually all the things science has proven and solved will eventually happen again because all the tests would yield the same results.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Ricky Gervais put it a great way. If you chucked religion and science in the bin and we started from scratch religion wouldn’t make a comeback because it’s unproven where as eventually all the things science has proven and solved will eventually happen again because all the tests would yield the same results.
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Quite.

Religion only exists because people were even more stupid and gullible than they are now a few hundred years ago. In a few more hundred years people will look back on religion the way we do human sacrifice or arranged marriages.
 
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scaramanga said:
Quite.

Religion only exist because people were even more stupid and gullible than they are now a few hundred years ago. In a few more hundred years people will look back on religion the way we do human sacrifice or arranged marriages.
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Exactly, and it only continues to thrive in societies that are suppressed from more freedoms, truth and access to as much information as possible.

If religion was a shop selling its goods you wouldn’t pay for its pot of magic beans because they just say they work, it defies any logic that people believe In it anymore than you would someone randomly coming up to you in the street tomorrow telling you their uncle was GHod
 
scaramanga said:
Quite.

Religion only exists because people were even more stupid and gullible than they are now a few hundred years ago. In a few more hundred years people will look back on religion the way we do human sacrifice or arranged marriages.
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Not sure that's entirely true, though overall it's a decent argument.

People keep coming up with new religions. I suppose one could argue that's a result of the existing religions and the reverence and systematic advantages given to religions. Actually that sounds like something I would argue.

People also keep coming up with all kinds of other unproven beliefs that spread.

If somehow (perhaps by devine intervention) religion disappeared and with it the belief that religion was advantageous I'd give it about a month before new religions started popping up.
 
braineclipse said:
If somehow (perhaps by devine intervention) religion disappeared and with it the belief that religion was advantageous I'd give it about a month before new religions started popping up.
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If it disappeared and there was no history then I dont agree. The basis of most religion is to answer the once relevant questions of why does the sun go down in the evening, we know that now.

The reason other new religions begin now is opportunism or mental illness. Scientology which is regardless of what anyone says a con and a scam to make money and then you have cults that prey on the vulnerable and become weird cults like that family in America that picket veteran funerals or the mansons.

What makes it difficult to be as cynical about religion as you would someone selling fresh air is the umbrella and the term “religion” Other than that it’s as questionable as believing In Medusa And Thor

I do get the part where you mention religion as advantageous as I have seen it with my mother and her faith has been advantageous in her life and I identify as Jewish but as a person not a religion
 
Don't forget that people "choose" to "believe" and have "faith" in the existence of GHod i.e. they don't need any proof, they don't want proof, they just choose what to do.

It seems pretty crazy to me, but they just 'choose' to 'believe' in something that is very unlikely. That is why they call it 'faith' i.e. they know it is unlikely and not provable but still they choose to have 'faith' in it.



For me it is like when some remote islanders pray for rain or sun or crops or whatever and they try a dance, they try balancing a frog on their head, they try praying, they try throwing a custard coated badger into a volcano and eventually when the rain comes, they reason that it must have been the custard badger.

Same as my mate who spins around and touches the ceiling to try and make his team score, because it "worked" once. He has faith in the ceiling spin and I don't, but he chooses to believe in it.



Anyway, space eh.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Ricky Gervais put it a great way. If you chucked religion and science in the bin and we started from scratch religion wouldn’t make a comeback because it’s unproven where as eventually all the things science has proven and solved will eventually happen again because all the tests would yield the same results.
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There is a difference between organised religion as we know it and have been taught it, and the potential of another level of existence, whether that is through our extremly limited understanding of other dimensions or something else.
 
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DTA said:
There is a difference between organised religion as we know it and have been taught it, and the potential of another level of existence, whether that is through our extremly limited understanding of other dimensions or something else.
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Or the human race has always had a hard time with the prospect of their own short life time and created a story to give purpose to it
 
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