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The Official 2023/24 Premier League Thread

tommysvr said:
Show me where I've said we should stop trying to improve? I literally just posted 3 paragraphs on it.
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ok, name one industry where mistakes are accepted and errors are not engineered out of the process

improvement to zero, we are never going to get acceptance for any level of officiating mistakes at the top end of the game
 
Baleforce said:
ok, name one industry where mistakes are accepted and errors are not engineered out of the process

improvement to zero, we are never going to get acceptance for any level of officiating mistakes at the top end of the game
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Righto mate
 
tommysvr said:
For me, it's simple. For the leagues where the argument is that there's so much money on the line we can't afford mistakes, use technology similar to goal line decisions for offsides and whether the ball is in or out of play. That opens up the assistant referees to do just that -- assist the referee. If they no longer have to look in 3 places at once to check for offsides and the ball being in/out, they can properly watch for fouls, diving, and other incidents.

I would extend that as far as allowing the 4th official to assist as well, with their remit being simple: you can give yellow cards for dissent. Sometimes it's hard for a referee to give those because they might feel unsure about whether the decision was correct, and therefore the dissenting player might have a point. Hand that over to a third party, and you'll quickly see dissent go down. It's the same thing that happens to coaches when the 4th official is being berated.

For the leagues without the money / grass roots etc, it's the way football was for 100 years and is now: let the referee get on with it. And mandate referee courses and experience for anyone playing football at level X or above from the age of 10. Show them how hard it is, then see how much grief they give a ref the next time they're playing.
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If along the line decisions are handed to ai put the linesmen on the pitch, one in each half, to help the ref.
 
Yiddo said:
It’s pretty straight forward really, 10-15 seconds to come to a decision, if you can’t within that time frame its not clear and obvious so the benefit of the doubt must be given. Common fudging sense.
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Would agree with something like this but you can imagine the outcry when clubs get calls against them that were technically incorrect because the ref was under pressure to rush the decision.

I didn't see it ending up where we are but we've really opened a Pandora's box with VAR.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Would agree with something like this but you can imagine the outcry when clubs get calls against them that were technically incorrect because the ref was under pressure to rush the decision.

I didn't see it ending up where we are but we've really opened a Pandora's box with VAR.
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At least there is an excuse for it where as at the moment they are taking 2 - 3 minutes and still getting it wrong.
 
tommysvr said:
Wouldn't be opposed to that, my only concern would be that you keep the referee's authority -- make it clear who is in charge. Can't have 3 people trying to make a decision.
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Referees have no authority as it stands. Far better to get the decision right than to pretend someone is infallible.

Last night an Everton player ran around the ref to push a Palace player. The ref just looked on like someone was fudging his wife and he was too scared to stop them.
 
DubSpur said:
How can a ref request a review for something he didn't see?? 99% of the time if he didn't see it he doesn't know to ask for a review.
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He sees something, but not the full picture, e.g. a player falling over in the box and doesn't know if he was fouled or a tackle/foul where he can't see contact with the ball.

Baleforce said:
name one industry where there isn't a constant search for improvement and a reduction in mistakes

you can't
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Politics

scaramanga said:
Referees have no authority as it stands. Far better to get the decision right than to pretend someone is infallible.
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It's the pretence of infallibility that undermines their authority. The interaction between referees and players is totally different in rugby.
 
jts1882 said:
He sees something, but not the full picture, e.g. a player falling over in the box and doesn't know if he was fouled or a tackle/foul where he can't see contact with the ball.
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Then we're going to have a long stoppage after every corner as there is so much going on that the ref can't see everything. Leave it as it is, VAR can review it while the game is continuing.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Would agree with something like this but you can imagine the outcry when clubs get calls against them that were technically incorrect because the ref was under pressure to rush the decision.

I didn't see it ending up where we are but we've really opened a Pandora's box with VAR.
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It was always going to be a brickshow and most fans i know want rid of it. Its a joke but so many said it would make the game better/fairer and are to much invested in what they said would happen to admit its a brickshow.
 
Yiddo said:
It’s pretty straight forward really, 10-15 seconds to come to a decision, if you can’t within that time frame its not clear and obvious so the benefit of the doubt must be given. Common fudging sense.
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Been saying this since they brought it in
 
parklane1 said:
It was always going to be a brickshow and most fans i know want rid of it. Its a joke but so many said it would make the game better/fairer and are to much invested in what they said would happen to admit its a brickshow.
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I was very much in favour. I’d envisaged it being like rugby where, although I don’t watch much of it, it seems to work well.

I’d happily see the back of it at this stage though. It’s been badly implemented and, possibly, is just not suited to football.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I was very much in favour. I’d envisaged it being like rugby where, although I don’t watch much of it, it seems to work well.

I’d happily see the back of it at this stage though. It’s been badly implemented and, possibly, is just not suited to football.
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A lot of fans are begining to say the same thing thankfully. ( even some i know who were talked into believing it would be a good thing).
 
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