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The new, new manager thread - Pt 3

Gutter Boy said:
That rumour is ******** IMO.

We only have 2 directors - Levy and Collecott. Collecott is the finance guy. We also have two non-execs, who do audits and roles like that. So not exactly a dozen men sat around in a smoky room to have a 'boardroom split'. At board level then, we are effectively a dictatorship. We don't even have shareholders to act as a check. It's Levy's gig.

But Levy has appointed Baldini to be head of football operations. He's his football side delegate/adviser. It'll be those two doing the interviews/making the decisions between them - Baldini as the football man, Levy as the person with the ultimate responsibility. IMO Lewis will be no more involved than the queen hires the window cleaners at Windsor Castle.

Considering how similar all the main candidates are - Poch, FdB, Martinez and even back to LvG (RBM is the odd one out) are all philosopher managers who believe in possession football, intense coaching, and youth over transfers - I'd say there's a lot of agreement going on.

Basically my point is, who says Poch isn't Baldini's choice too? Our relationship with Ajax predates Baldini, whereas Baldini has the reputation of being a connoisseur of all things Argentine.




I'll think they'll be early casualties. Whereas AVB had a lot of casualness to dispose of, Poch has only got the final two that AVB never managed to get shot of.

I like both as players and individuals, but they won't have places in Poch's super efficient machine.
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I don't think so. AVB wanted a very bland squad, personality-wise, he wanted a total team approach, something that goes back to the old USSR approach to sports, where the individual counts for nothing and the team for everything. We're talking about personality issues here and listening to the coaches instructions, we're not talking about individualistic performances on the field, which is something AVB relied on (team would be solid, wouldn't concede and play safety first and he wanted someone in the team like Hulk or Bale who could score from nowhere to win a tight game).

Pochettino on the other hand is not adverse to managing explosive or odd personalities, evidenced by having and managing Osvaldo at two different clubs.

I think Ade will stay barring a ridiculous offer coming in from Monaco. The idea that Adebayor is lazy is a myth IMO. Certainly Ade is someone who needs motivation, or at least he needs to feel like he is part of something that he wants to be a part of. If he isn't, then he won't perform. Clearly, AVB made it clear Ade wasn't his cup of tea, so we got lazy rubbish Ade under AVB.

Under Redknapp and Sherwood, Ade has looked very motivated and particularly under Redknapp was a very hard working centre-forward.

I believe Pochettino would look to keep Ade and he will be our main striker next season. Apart from anything else, there are few clubs that will want to take Ade, who can afford his wages, plus it annoys me that so many people want rid of Ade.

For all his faults, name me a centre-forward of Ade's quality that we could get within our budget. There is none.

Ade has his faults, that's why he's at Spurs and not Real Madrid. If he wasn't difficult to manage and motivate, he would be at Real Madrid or Man Utd, as talent-wise, that's where he should be.

Seriously, look at some of his performances and goals and name me another forward we could realistically get that can manage that level of performance regularly.
 
NWND said:
I don't think so. AVB wanted a very bland squad, personality-wise, he wanted a total team approach, something that goes back to the old USSR approach to sports, where the individual counts for nothing and the team for everything. We're talking about personality issues here and listening to the coaches instructions, we're not talking about individualistic performances on the field, which is something AVB relied on (team would be solid, wouldn't concede and play safety first and he wanted someone in the team like Hulk or Bale who could score from nowhere to win a tight game).

Pochettino on the other hand is not adverse to managing explosive or odd personalities, evidenced by having and managing Osvaldo at two different clubs.

I think Ade will stay barring a ridiculous offer coming in from Monaco. The idea that Adebayor is lazy is a myth IMO. Certainly Ade is someone who needs motivation, or at least he needs to feel like he is part of something that he wants to be a part of. If he isn't, then he won't perform. Clearly, AVB made it clear Ade wasn't his cup of tea, so we got lazy rubbish Ade under AVB.

Under Redknapp and Sherwood, Ade has looked very motivated and particularly under Redknapp was a very hard working centre-forward.

I believe Pochettino would look to keep Ade and he will be our main striker next season. Apart from anything else, there are few clubs that will want to take Ade, who can afford his wages, plus it annoys me that so many people want rid of Ade.

For all his faults, name me a centre-forward of Ade's quality that we could get within our budget. There is none.

Ade has his faults, that's why he's at Spurs and not Real Madrid. If he wasn't difficult to manage and motivate, he would be at Real Madrid or Man Utd, as talent-wise, that's where he should be.

Seriously, look at some of his performances and goals and name me another forward we could realistically get that can manage that level of performance regularly.
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All fair points. I deliberately called Ade casual, rather than lazy. Would be very happy to see him thrive under Poch, but I'll wait and see how it goes.
 
Roy Hodgson next Tottenham manager?

We might be biding our time over Pochetino or De Boer but let's say neither deal materialises. Then what? I can see a) us going into the WC without a manager and b) England losing to both Italy and Uruguay.

Hodgson won't last that and IMHO will be a decent shout as our next boss. I rate him as a boss, he has plenty of experience and already managed in the EPL and also a big club albeit abroad.

I'm only speculating and do see that Pochetino or De Boer are the most likely candidates. But maybe this is why we aren't in a particular rush to get the business done?

Ironically Harry could also be out of a job yet in line for England. Would be interesting to know what sort of odds yould get on that double...
 
chicken_badge said:
Roy Hodgson next Tottenham manager?

We might be biding our time over Pochetino or De Boer but let's say neither deal materialises. Then what? I can see a) us going into the WC without a manager and b) England losing to both Italy and Uruguay.

Hodgson won't last that and IMHO will be a decent shout as our next boss. I rate him as a boss, he has plenty of experience and already managed in the EPL and also a big club albeit abroad.

I'm only speculating and do see that Pochetino or De Boer are the most likely candidates. But maybe this is why we aren't in a particular rush to get the business done?

Ironically Harry could also be out of a job yet in line for England. Would be interesting to know what sort of odds yould get on that double...
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If we're picking up WC casualties, there's much more chance of it being Baldini's best bud - Capello.
 
Superhudd said:
Not just them, our often broken players won't adapt well to that sort of training.
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Poch will fix them. Soton had the lowest rate of injuries (along with Stoke, as Hughes is good at this too) for a reason. A much more scientific approach than we're use to. Hopefully he'll get support to replace our medical team too in the way AVB never did.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Poch will fix them. Soton had the lowest rate of injuries (along with Stoke, as Hughes is good at this too) for a reason. A much more scientific approach than we're use to. Hopefully he'll get support to replace our medical team too in the way AVB never did.
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Quite possibly.

If it's the case that we have players that just can't physically deal with it then it's way overdue that we ship them out anyway.

I think a lot of our players could respond really well to that kind of training, like you. But it's obviously impossible to know for sure in advance, particularly from the outside.
 
braineclipse said:
Quite possibly.

If it's the case that we have players that just can't physically deal with it then it's way overdue that we ship them out anyway.

I think a lot of our players could respond really well to that kind of training, like you. But it's obviously impossible to know for sure in advance, particularly from the outside.
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Dembele and Kaboul instantly spring to mind.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Dembele and Kaboul instantly spring to mind.
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Quite possibly. And in that case I'm fine with it, get rid and replace.

Particularly at centre back it's super important to have a settled partnership, an injury prone player will almost always struggle. The obvious exceptions are there, like King and Woodgate. But Kaboul isn't at that level and I think we would be better off with a slightly worse, but more consistently fit player.

Dembele hasn't struggled as much, but if his fitness issues continue it could stand between him and him stepping up to the next level. I would rather have him replaced if that's the case.
 
NWND said:
Name me a centre-forward of Ade's quality that we could get within our budget. There is none.
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Uh, Soldo? ;)

The new manager will obviously be tasked with getting the best out of the players (all of them). At this stage, I think Ade is best suited to one game a week, and he could thrive under the new manager.
 
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braineclipse said:
Quite possibly. And in that case I'm fine with it, get rid and replace.

Particularly at centre back it's super important to have a settled partnership, an injury prone player will almost always struggle. The obvious exceptions are there, like King and Woodgate. But Kaboul isn't at that level and I think we would be better off with a slightly worse, but more consistently fit player.

Dembele hasn't struggled as much, but if his fitness issues continue it could stand between him and him stepping up to the next level. I would rather have him replaced if that's the case.
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I'd swap the pair for Schneiderlin and Lovren. Maybe even try and literally swap (i.e. Dembele and Kaboul might be useful acquisitions for Soton)
 
i dont think anything will happen until after the world cup, levy can watch 32 managers strut their stuff and put themselves in the shop window.
 
NWND said:
For all his faults, name me a centre-forward of Ade's quality that we could get within our budget. There is none.

Ade has his faults, that's why he's at Spurs and not Real Madrid. If he wasn't difficult to manage and motivate, he would be at Real Madrid or Man Utd, as talent-wise, that's where he should be.

Seriously, look at some of his performances and goals and name me another forward we could realistically get that can manage that level of performance regularly.
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The "I want a new contract" Ade? We couldn't afford anyone even close.

The "**** you I'm off on holiday" Ade? Well there's Gary Doherty, Emile Heskey, I hear Andy Booth is looking for work.

The pertinent point in what you say is the very last word; regularly. If Ade did it anything like regularly he wouldn't be here.
 
Mr_B said:
i dont think anything will happen until after the world cup, levy can watch 32 managers strut their stuff and put themselves in the shop window.
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I don't think that is likely. Once we had sorted out contracts we would probably only have a month or so, if not less, before the start of the season. And in the meantime Levy would have started negotiations/bought various players that the new manager probably doesn't want. We all know how that ends up.

The sooner we get a manager the better -then they can get involved in sorting out the squad for next season. Is a settled pre-season, where manager's plans and player purchasing/selling policy are in tune, too much to ask for as a Spurs fan. (rhetorical)

[PS Milo (other admins -Scara) --what about those post figures then -- c'mon have some sympathy]
 
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I was listening to some journos on talksport and seemed to think there might be some truth in the Poch staying at Saints story from this morning because the journo who wrote the story has very good contacts at Southampton
 
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