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The Goon Thread

Glenda's Legs said:
Seen a couple of comments on X questioning how much Vinai would have known. As he didn’t leave them until end of 2023/24 season he must have been fully aware, as CEO, of what was going on.
Not a good look.

Edit - I mean about the situation in general and the club decision to keep playing him whilst the investigation was ongoing. He must have been involved in that decision.
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I’m not sure you can blame a club in this scenario. What if the player is found totally innocent?
 
…almost like someone was waiting for him to leave the goons before pressing the button. For it to take 3 years+ to put a case together is shameful. You take statements. You present the argument…. Should take a week.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I’m not sure you can blame a club in this scenario. What if the player is found totally innocent?
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Not sure I understand. It's the club who decided to carry on playing him during the investigations. He could have been suspended on full pay (or 'given time to focus on personal issues'). Vinai was leading the club at that time so would have been involved in the decision - hence me saying it is not a good look.
I don't think there are many companies that would have someone under those accusations coming into work everyday. You can argue whether that is fair or not but it's the way things would usually happen.
I do have sympathy for those who are the subject of malign allegations, but from the messages posted by his first victim, that does not appear to be the case.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Former head of the CPS, who is now PM is a gooner ST holder. Nothing to see here...
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It certainly appears fishy. One thing is the allegations, but if he had been charged while still an Arse player, it would've been infinitely much harder for them to keep playing him. They'd basically have to choose between bad publicity and weakening the team. Very odd timing.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Not sure I understand. It's the club who decided to carry on playing him during the investigations. He could have been suspended on full pay (or 'given time to focus on personal issues'). Vinai was leading the club at that time so would have been involved in the decision - hence me saying it is not a good look.
I don't think there are many companies that would have someone under those accusations coming into work everyday. You can argue whether that is fair or not but it's the way things would usually happen.
I do have sympathy for those who are the subject of malign allegations, but from the messages posted by his first victim, that does not appear to be the case.
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Doesn't say a lot about Arteta and the players either. They should've been kicking up about having to play with an "alleged" rapist.
 
An Arsenal spokesman said: "The player's contract ended on June 30. Due to ongoing legal proceedings the club is unable to comment on the case."

Not our player anymore so we won’t comment. You shielded this clam for three and a half years to try (and fail) to achieve success. Shame on you and your absolute clam of a club.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I’m not sure you can blame a club in this scenario. What if the player is found totally innocent?
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With allegations this serious, from 3 different women, with an investigation that has been taking place for nearly 4 years, he should be nowhere near the first team imho. The PL's big campaign at the moment? Ironically "Tackling violence against women and girls."

I agree that they can't sack him unless he is convicted, but Arsenal are an international brand with a top class women's football team too and can choose to let him play or not while he is under investigation. I'm sure the way this has been handled is going to hurt the club as I doubt they will have heard the last of it.

As if there were not already enough reasons to dislike Arteta and that club.
 
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Were there any 'best wishes' messages from players after it was announced he was leaving? Im guessing they are strangely quiet.
 
Based on recent history, I'm guessing he's as innocent as all those other footballers with fantastic lawyers.

I hope he's saved his pennies, as these "victims" seem to like out of court settlements nowadays.

Just saying.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Not sure I understand. It's the club who decided to carry on playing him during the investigations. He could have been suspended on full pay (or 'given time to focus on personal issues'). Vinai was leading the club at that time so would have been involved in the decision - hence me saying it is not a good look.
I don't think there are many companies that would have someone under those accusations coming into work everyday. You can argue whether that is fair or not but it's the way things would usually happen.
I do have sympathy for those who are the subject of malign allegations, but from the messages posted by his first victim, that does not appear to be the case.
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I get this and agree. But I also wouldn’t want to be to derail your life and career simply by accusing you of something. How would that work? You’re asking a football club to be a judge and jury. Before any accusations have been checked or a conviction planned. You could ruin a career simply by making false accusations if we followed this model. That can’t be right, or workable, and it flies in the face of a thousand years of jurisprudence.
 
Robspur12 said:
With allegations this serious, from 3 different women, with an investigation that has been taking place for nearly 4 years, he should be nowhere near the first team imho. The PL's big campaign at the moment? Ironically "Tackling violence against women and girls."

I agree that they can't sack him unless he is convicted, but Arsenal are an international brand with a top class women's football team too and can choose to let him play or not while he is under investigation. I'm sure the way this has been handled is going to hurt the club as I doubt they will have heard the last of it.

As if there were not already enough reasons to dislike Arteta and that club.
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Okay let’s try a thought experiment. Tomorrow someone issues an accusation against any of our players. Let’s say it is Lucas Bergvall. You would simply suspend him and wait the 3+ years for the CPS to check and build their case, would you? And the further time it would take to go to court? What if it wasn’t taken to court at the end of the investigation?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Okay let’s try a thought experiment. Tomorrow someone issues an accusation against any of our players. Let’s say it is Lucas Bergvall. You would simply suspend him and wait the 3+ years for the CPS to check and build their case, would you? And the further time it would take to go to court? What if it wasn’t taken to court at the end of the investigation?
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If there was evidence posted on social media like there is with Partey and there was with Greenwood etc. then you'd have to be mental to sit back, do nothing and just say "well, innocent til proven guilty innit".

But yeah, if it's just an accusation, player denies, and there's no evidence available then I would assume you might take their word until further information becomes available.

Remember, Everton suspended Sigurdsson straightaway and he never played for them again... and that took a long time to go to court.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
Okay let’s try a thought experiment. Tomorrow someone issues an accusation against any of our players. Let’s say it is Lucas Bergvall. You would simply suspend him and wait the 3+ years for the CPS to check and build their case, would you? And the further time it would take to go to court? What if it wasn’t taken to court at the end of the investigation?
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What if he is found guilty then you have allowed a rapist to play football for 3 years. What about the victims do we not believe them. The days of not believing victims should come to an end.
 
kb 1984 said:
What if he is found guilty then you have allowed a rapist to play football for 3 years. What about the victims do we not believe them. The days of not believing victims should come to an end.
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A company is not in control of the CPS. That it takes so many years to get justice is the issue here. What about victims who have to wait so long to get closure? This is the issue for me.

If you are suggesting we should ban players based on accusations, how would you stop rival fans writing a false letter of accusation to undermine us?
 
dingdongo said:
If there was evidence posted on social media like there is with Partey and there was with Greenwood etc. then you'd have to be mental to sit back, do nothing and just say "well, innocent til proven guilty innit".

But yeah, if it's just an accusation, player denies, and there's no evidence available then I would assume you might take their word until further information becomes available.

Remember, Everton suspended Sigurdsson straightaway and he never played for them again... and that took a long time to go to court.
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That never went to court. No charges were brought after the investigation. Sigurdsson was set up so a totally different type of case, but once child sex offences are mentioned he had to be suspended.
 
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