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The Goon Thread

They play the same way no matter if they are playing Burnley or Barcelona. Just attack, no thought of preserving a lead, if they've conceded two goals in quick succession, they simply try and score another goal rather than protect they have. He will get them in the top 4 again but forget about the title.
 
They play the same way no matter if they are playing Burnley or Barcelona. Just attack, no thought of preserving a lead, if they've conceded two goals in quick succession, they simply try and score another goal rather than protect they have. He will get them in the top 4 again but forget about the title.

but is "playing the same way" really that bad? and has it been bad for them? i don't think it has tbh.
 
I bet the next guy doesn't get em in the CL, look at United without Fergie, even a talented and established PL manager like Moyes struggled (history may favour him more when he's compared with anyone other than Fergie), a genius like LVG is taking his time, they are not going to be able to replace Wenger with a person of that quality from either camp

he's still the best man for the job
 
Speak to Arsenal fans and it seems to have been a major concern of theirs over the years.

people are always gonna moan, how many times have we heard that "all I really want is attractive football" line, no one really means it, we're gonna moan until we every game 9-0

actually in hindsight, with a better manager maybe we could win every game 10-0
 
but is "playing the same way" really that bad? and has it been bad for them? i don't think it has tbh.

If you want top 4 and barely anything else then yes. Hell, even when they were the best team in Europe in 2004, defending wasn't high on the agenda. He's always bought good attacking players, but he inherited a very good defense and added Campbell but that was a no brainer. You have to actually prepare defensively for teams like Bayern, Real, Dortmund and Barca not just say "we'll score more than you."
 
people are always gonna moan, how many times have we heard that "all I really want is attractive football" line, no one really means it, we're gonna moan until we every game 9-0

actually in hindsight, with a better manager maybe we could win every game 10-0

9 goals aren't enough, we want double digits. 10-1 won't cut it, need that clean sheet. Even 10-0 might not be enough. There's always that one pass that was a little off or the other team had a shot at goal, meaning they deserved to win the game.
 
Speak to Arsenal fans and it seems to have been a major concern of theirs over the years.

i would argue they are wrong. there may be significant other problems at arsenal, but the overall direction of their tactical setup by wenger isnt one.

ive asked it before, but if wenger's tactics are so bad, why do they clubs that spend more than them finish above them, whilst all the clubs that spend less than them finish below them.

this applies to all of mourinho's teams too btw. the supposed tactical genius that many argue wenger should learn from doesnt fare any better than his finances dictate he should, despite his ability to tactically tinker. ie. hes had one of the biggest budgets for the last 2 seasons, and hes won absolutely nothing. also, during his time at madrid, he arguably had the biggest budget in the world, and was largely unsuccesful. shouldnt he have won more considering he had the biggest budget combined with his tactical genius?

basically, my point is that there are many benefits to what wenger is doing that people are failing to see. ie. perhaps the tactical consistency means that his players are more adept at applying wenger's instructions at that one tactic than they otherwise would be. also look at barcelona, they hardly diverted from their unique way of playing either under guardiola. bayern are not much different either. same goes with swansea.

the problem is, arsenal fans have a deluded sense of entitlement, and are comparing themselves with chelsea/utd/city. they dont seem to realise that the only real reason for their lack of results (when compared to those clubs) is because their owner(s) arent willing to make £100m losses every year. it has very little to do with wenger's method of playing
 
If you want top 4 and barely anything else then yes. Hell, even when they were the best team in Europe in 2004, defending wasn't high on the agenda. He's always bought good attacking players, but he inherited a very good defense and added Campbell but that was a no brainer. You have to actually prepare defensively for teams like Bayern, Real, Dortmund and Barca not just say "we'll score more than you."

barcelona at their peak had a combination of puyol, pique, mascherano, alba, alves, adriano at the back. hardly the most defensively convincing backline.

and also, arsenal's best defensive partnership was not inherited. arsenal went unbeaten for a whole season with cole, campbell, toure, lauren.

and btw, hes bought many good defenders in his time too. beyond the guys in the invincibles team, theyve had sagna, clichy, koscielny, gallas, gibbs, debuchy just to name a few
 
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"I like Arsene for his principles. But principles are sort of restriction. And restrictions are always lost possibilities."

Haha. No secrete that this scummy Oligarch had no principles as he broke laws and grabbed (stole?) as much the states assets as he could. He's befitting of a club like aresnal.

The Wenger thing is so simple. An excellent coach, woeful in the transfer market.
 
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i would argue they are wrong. there may be significant other problems at arsenal, but the overall direction of their tactical setup by wenger isnt one.

ive asked it before, but if wenger's tactics are so bad, why do they clubs that spend more than them finish above them, whilst all the clubs that spend less than them finish below them.

this applies to all of mourinho's teams too btw. the supposed tactical genius that many argue wenger should learn from doesnt fare any better than his finances dictate he should, despite his ability to tactically tinker. ie. hes had one of the biggest budgets for the last 2 seasons, and hes won absolutely nothing. also, during his time at madrid, he arguably had the biggest budget in the world, and was largely unsuccesful. shouldnt he have won more considering he had the biggest budget combined with his tactical genius?

basically, my point is that there are many benefits to what wenger is doing that people are failing to see. ie. perhaps the tactical consistency means that his players are more adept at applying wenger's instructions at that one tactic than they otherwise would be. also look at barcelona, they hardly diverted from their unique way of playing either under guardiola. bayern are not much different either. same goes with swansea.

the problem is, arsenal fans have a deluded sense of entitlement, and are comparing themselves with chelsea/utd/city. they dont seem to realise that the only real reason for their lack of results (when compared to those clubs) is because their owner(s) arent willing to make £100m losses every year. it has very little to do with wenger's method of playing

Lol...Neymar you find ever more ingenious ways to excuse Wenger and Arsenal's failings. Good job Poch will have you to defend him if necessary in the near future eh...

The unwillingness to make 100m losses every year, is that the reason why year after year they are counter-attacked like on Saturday from their own corners (often with all their layers in the opposition half so their can be no offside)?

The unwillingness to make 100m losses every year, was that the reason that they have choked continuously in key games often against teams with less budgets than them until last year's FA Cup final? Was that the reason they lost the 2011 carling cup final vs Birmingham - a team that got relegated? Look at all their FA Cup exits, can you say each time it was due to being beaten by an Oil-baron sponsored side? Remember Blackburn and Bradford?

The main benefit of Wenger to Arsenal is that (until recently) he has kept them in the top 4 so that their board could collect their CL money and not spend much to maintain it. Gooner fans used to get more; after all when they were winning titles, they weren't the top spenders then, so the fact that they aren't shouldn't, in itself, shouldn't excuse their hapless play now.

Wenger's spending has now gone through the roof in relative terms, whilst their play is getting worse. Make no mistake if they miss out of CL, silent Stan will start to get closer to the trigger as the excuses wll not be there anymore, no matter how hard even you try ;-)

P.S. - I agree with your comments about Mourinho, but like Wenger, soon his coaching limitations will be laid bare and not camouflaged by 'net spend' theses...
 
Giroud will miss their 2 remaining CL group stage games as he wasn't registered in the original squad.
 
Lol...Neymar you find ever more ingenious ways to excuse Wenger and Arsenal's failings. Good job Poch will have you to defend him if necessary in the near future eh...

its levy who is responsible for where we are at now. shame half our fanbase is too blinkered to realise this. levy and wenger are so underated by general football fans. its a shame, because managers who dont even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as those two get more credit simply because they were managers of Emirates Marketing Project or chelsea and invariably happened to win something. unfortunately football fans' analysis of a manager's performance ends at sporting results, so the overall management jobs that wenger and levy have done go unrecognised.

The unwillingness to make 100m losses every year, is that the reason why year after year they are counter-attacked like on Saturday from their own corners (often with all their layers in the opposition half so their can be no offside)?

thats probably more down to their way of playing and the players that have been selected. unfortunately for wenger, counter-attacks such as the one you have mentioned is going to be one of the negative outcomes from his choices. however, there are other benefits that come these decisions.


The unwillingness to make 100m losses every year, was that the reason that they have choked continuously in key games often against teams with less budgets than them until last year's FA Cup final? Was that the reason they lost the 2011 carling cup final vs Birmingham - a team that got relegated? Look at all their FA Cup exits, can you say each time it was due to being beaten by an Oil-baron sponsored side? Remember Blackburn and Bradford?

the unwillingness to make 100m losses every year is why they choke more frequently than those who are willing to make those losses. but they choke less frequently than teams who spend less than themselves hence they finish top 4 more often than the rest, and have been in multiple cup finals and semi-finals over the past decade.

last year, wigan beat Emirates Marketing Project in the cup quater final. thats just football. you sometimes lose to weaker teams, and sometimes beat better teams.

The main benefit of Wenger to Arsenal is that (until recently) he has kept them in the top 4 so that their board could collect their CL money and not spend much to maintain it. Gooner fans used to get more; after all when they were winning titles, they weren't the top spenders then, so the fact that they aren't shouldn't, in itself, shouldn't excuse their hapless play now.

when they were winning titles only man utd seriously outspent them. and liverpool marginally spent more too. today, there are 3 teams in another financial bracket. therefore they need 3 vteams to have "off-seasons", rather than just the one. in the past few years, arsenal have finished above city, chelsea, utd (and liverpool) individually. but the task of finishing above all of them in one year has proven too hard. i think wenger can be forgiven for not doing this, especially as he has always maintained a top 4 position, and no-one else has been able to break the utd, chelsea, city title monopoly either.

Wenger's spending has now gone through the roof in relative terms, whilst their play is getting worse. Make no mistake if they miss out of CL, silent Stan will start to get closer to the trigger as the excuses wll not be there anymore, no matter how hard even you try ;-)

i agree that "Wenger's spending has gone through the roof", but its not like he was spending little before. nor is it like us or lpool are spending little. we've both spent 100m in one window for example. our's, arsenal's and lpool's spending may have gone through the roof, but city, utd and chelsea cant even see us from their roofs.

P.S. - I agree with your comments about Mourinho, but like Wenger, soon his coaching limitations will be laid bare and not camouflaged by 'net spend' theses...

glad we can agree on something :) but can you give me an example a manager who has consistently performed beyond his resources through great coaching?
 
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