I agree with galeforce.
The board have the fans exactly where they want them. And wenger has enabled that. it’s basically due to wenger's brilliance that arsenal are in that sweet spot; where they are above the likes of us and liverpool, but just about competing for trophies. This means that they have the glamour of being one of the elite clubs in the world and have a massive worldwide and domestic presence.
And if you compare arsenal to clubs around Europe with a similar reputation, arsenal are doing this on the smallest budget. That is all down to wenger. And whilst he’s doing this, he’s raking in a decent amount of profit for the owners’ year in year out. In reality, for a club the size of arsenal (who are not a real madrid or bayern for example), to be where they are, they probably need someone who will subsidise them. Not to the extent that Chelsea are, but someone who doesn’t mind losing a few million every year.
In response to glorygloryeze, I disagree that the signing of ozil really changes the conditions that wenger is judged on. At least I doubt it will change much from the people that matter. ie. The board and wenger himself. However, the expectations from the fans might change obviously.
It would be absolutely ridiculous in my opinion that one £45m signing should lead to any big changes in objectives for a club the size of arsenal. To seriously be competitive for a league or ucl title for a sustained number of seasons, you need to be spending that kind of money for a number of years (look at Chelsea, Man Utd and City), not once in a decade, when you have made more than enough profit in the previous windows, to still be a in net positive in player transfers in recent windows.
In my opinion, that ozil transfer happened for two main reasons.
1- Arsenal are coming to the end of some sponsorship deals and are on the verge of signing some bigger deals, leading to them having greater spending potential in the transfer market.
2- But more importantly, I think the board and wenger noticed that the fans are getting disgruntled. And this transfer was basically their way of sweetening the fans somewhat, so that they can continue with their spin of “wanting to do well”, “are ambitious”, “willing to spend on quality” etc etc etc. I suspect that if all their fans were like Alan Sugar, they probably would not have signed ozil this summer.
I think it will be very interesting to see what happens once wenger goes. It can only go one of two ways. They will either become like us and Liverpool, and be another team that will finish outside the top 4 the majority of the time, and go through a continuous cycle of managerial changes. Or, the board will realise that Arsenal is declining as an asset and will sell up. If they do sell up, it will probably be to some billionaire, and then they will be another Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea.
In short, if wenger goes but the board stay, I can only see arsenal being worse off.
Think all English clubs will get knocked out.
The standard of premiership football is the lowest it's been for years.
I just don't get why people do this. I like a bit of banter with my gooner mates but its all upfront.
I can understand someone lurking and having a snigger, and now you mention it maybe it will be amusing having a peek at how some of those goons are taking the realisation tonight that they are not going to win the CL this year or anytime soon. But I couldnt see the point in pretending to be a goon, would be much for fun to tell them to **** off back to woolwich with chesneys crap keeping.
I disagree. I think the quality of the league is excellent, it is the quality of the old top four that has deteriorated.
Arsenal dwarf us in practically every financial category. I would be interested to see some figures to test neymar's assertion that their budget is much smaller than all their main rivals in Europe.
To be honest Wenger would not have made it at any of the other big clubs as he seems to to put profit and income before footballing success. Who would have given him 9 years to get it right? Wenger has had them qualify for champions league every season but surely that is to be expected especially a head of us when comparing the finances. Yet they have only done it by a point for the last 2 seasons despite all the upheaval in our club. Yet Levy still comes in for criticism.
That they have not won anything in 9 years is IMO inexcusable and it is as much a reflection of the choices they have made over the years. They choose to only play for the lucrative tournaments while dispensing the less lucrative domestic cups. A huge income which they do not invest in either keeping their world class stars or replacing with similar quality players while Wenger (on 7.5m a year) and the board coin it in.
Being a spurs fan may be hard but at least our club and board have ambition. Being an arsenal fan must be so frustrating.
wenger was probably looking at the pitch as szczesny was entering the tunnel.
Of course Wenger’s budget is much smaller than his rivals. Those numbers from the guardian are almost irrelevant when considering Wenger’s budget against his rivals.
HOLD THE BACK PAGE!!!! WHINGER IN EYESIGHT SHOCKER!!!!!
Wenger said that he did not see Szczesny making an obscene gesture as he left the field.
I suppose that depends on who you think Arsenal's rivals are.
They certainly have a lot less money than Utd, Chelsea, City, Real, etc but they're not Arsenal's rivals. I suspect Arsenal earn a huge amount more than all the other CL knockout fodder also-rans like Zenit, Olympiakos, etc.
The Arsenal fans (and most of the media) seem to think Arsenal's rivals are the likes of Utd, City, Real etc. Hence the regular criticism of Arsenal and Wenger when they perform poorly when compared to those clubs.
In my opinion, they should really be compared to like the likes of Liverpool and us. And the likes of Dortmund, Atletico etc in Europe. And when you do compare Arsenal against these teams, they have performed exceptionally well. So much so that people seem to think they are competing with a higher category of teams.
The problem for Wenger is, when you look at rankings such as the UEFA club coefficients and forbes lists, they are ranked up there with Europe's elite, and so the on-pitch comparisons with these other elite clubs is inevitable.
...and what have all those clubs in bold done in the last 8 years...?
hired a nutter as manager
seasoned the chip on their shoulder about their obviously superior "rivals"
...and what have all those clubs in bold done in the last 8 years...?
yet do they wish they were Arsenal instead? probably.
Only for the money
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