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The Europa League - Sh1t got real...
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Danny Murphy
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
OK, it was in the Guardian.....
"Other plans under consideration include whether to award a fifth Champions League place to clubs in the big European leagues and to expand the number of Europa League places on offer."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/23/uefa-champions-league-europa-league
I am all seeing.....
OK, it was in the Guardian.....
"Other plans under consideration include whether to award a fifth Champions League place to clubs in the big European leagues and to expand the number of Europa League places on offer."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/23/uefa-champions-league-europa-league
clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
This..that is the aspect of the competition that really cheapens it. I believe all 4 semifinalists were Champions League dropouts this year. Why in fudge should clubs be rewarded for failing and get entered into another competition half way through!! It's so fudged up
This..that is the aspect of the competition that really cheapens it. I believe all 4 semifinalists were Champions League dropouts this year. Why in fudge should clubs be rewarded for failing and get entered into another competition half way through!! It's so fudged up
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indianspur
Guest
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
so what would have happened this year if this rule was in place as Chelsea finished 3rd and won the EL. Does that mean the losing finalists get the CL place. That would have complicated things also as Benfica has qualified for the CL by finishing 2nd in Portugal
why dont Uefa just do the right thing, stop faffing around, and simply award Tottenham a CL place no matter what because we have G Bale
so what would have happened this year if this rule was in place as Chelsea finished 3rd and won the EL. Does that mean the losing finalists get the CL place. That would have complicated things also as Benfica has qualified for the CL by finishing 2nd in Portugal
why dont Uefa just do the right thing, stop faffing around, and simply award Tottenham a CL place no matter what because we have G Bale
Storky
Thimotée Atouba
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
I think they should just do away with the Europa League and give one or two extra teams per league a Champions League Spot. Make the knockout stage prior to the group stage larger and a round longer and be done with it.
I think they should just do away with the Europa League and give one or two extra teams per league a Champions League Spot. Make the knockout stage prior to the group stage larger and a round longer and be done with it.
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BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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Will be excellent if it moves to 5 teams from England that qualify. I think there is going to be a top 6 of very close distance in the next few years (top 5 plus Liverpool) and therefore it obviously makes it easier. If we keep improving at our current rate we should be in there more often than not. Also makes sense for Uefa because if ourselves and Liverpool keep improving it's not going to make sense to have us both constantly restricted from earning the top bucks from the CL and not having that exposure while letting some random teams from countries that will never actually achieve anything make it through.
I understand the need for fairness of representation but it's the Champions League, if any of those teams were good enough to make an impact they should have to beat a team from a top league during qualifying.
Will be excellent if it moves to 5 teams from England that qualify. I think there is going to be a top 6 of very close distance in the next few years (top 5 plus Liverpool) and therefore it obviously makes it easier. If we keep improving at our current rate we should be in there more often than not. Also makes sense for Uefa because if ourselves and Liverpool keep improving it's not going to make sense to have us both constantly restricted from earning the top bucks from the CL and not having that exposure while letting some random teams from countries that will never actually achieve anything make it through.
I understand the need for fairness of representation but it's the Champions League, if any of those teams were good enough to make an impact they should have to beat a team from a top league during qualifying.
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
If Europa winners end up taking a league CL place, imagine if we finished 4th and Chelski 5th this year!
Or even this scenario next year
1 Man U
2 Emirates Marketing Project
3 Tottenham
4 Everton
5 Arsenal
6 Chelsea
CL winners Chelsea
Europa winners Arsenal
If still take it I suppose , anything where we finish above the goons! And I suppose that scenario is unrealistic anyway as it means the Emirates bouncers relaxing their strict no trophies policy
If Europa winners end up taking a league CL place, imagine if we finished 4th and Chelski 5th this year!
Or even this scenario next year
1 Man U
2 Emirates Marketing Project
3 Tottenham
4 Everton
5 Arsenal
6 Chelsea
CL winners Chelsea
Europa winners Arsenal
If still take it I suppose , anything where we finish above the goons! And I suppose that scenario is unrealistic anyway as it means the Emirates bouncers relaxing their strict no trophies policy
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
...and what if Wigan finished 20th next year but won the Europa League ?!?!
Not intending to oppose this by the way I think it's a brilliant and much needed idea that will sort out an awful lot.
...and what if Wigan finished 20th next year but won the Europa League ?!?!
Not intending to oppose this by the way I think it's a brilliant and much needed idea that will sort out an awful lot.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
Then Wigan would be in the Champions League.
Which to be fair, they would deserve, being Champions in the Europa and all.
Then Wigan would be in the Champions League.
Which to be fair, they would deserve, being Champions in the Europa and all.
Craig_J
Mido
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Noooooo. I would really not like that. I could just see an increase happening for champions league teams, with it being doubled and 2 champions league group stages.
Would be the first step to them saying a couple of seasons later "Right, if you thought our first idea was brilliant your gonna love this. Your leaving the premiership and joining the European Super League!"
EDIT: Should also add about bloody time they did this. Front what I understand it could see five teams competing in \england if they win The Europa League, so I'm guessing it means that if a team finishes outside the top 4 they get an automatic spot still and fourth don't lose thier posiiton, which is grand, but why don't they have a spot for the Champions League winners and then add on an extra spot when a team wins it?
Noooooo. I would really not like that. I could just see an increase happening for champions league teams, with it being doubled and 2 champions league group stages.
Would be the first step to them saying a couple of seasons later "Right, if you thought our first idea was brilliant your gonna love this. Your leaving the premiership and joining the European Super League!"
EDIT: Should also add about bloody time they did this. Front what I understand it could see five teams competing in \england if they win The Europa League, so I'm guessing it means that if a team finishes outside the top 4 they get an automatic spot still and fourth don't lose thier posiiton, which is grand, but why don't they have a spot for the Champions League winners and then add on an extra spot when a team wins it?
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I have no problem with the "drop-outs" dropping in. The more big clubs in any competition the better.
But it does open up a can of worms offering an ECL spot to the EL Cup winner.
Has there been an EL Cup winner that played the next season in the ECL and then dropped back to the EL the same season?
I have no problem with the "drop-outs" dropping in. The more big clubs in any competition the better.
But it does open up a can of worms offering an ECL spot to the EL Cup winner.
Has there been an EL Cup winner that played the next season in the ECL and then dropped back to the EL the same season?
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EL winners getting a CL spot is like the winner of the Championship getting promotion to the Premier League.
CL dropouts getting into the EL at the half way stage can best be compared to letting for instance the bottom six of the PL have a playoff against the top 6 in the Championship to avoid relegation. Not only are the CL teams awarded brickloads more money and more coefficient points per win/draw compared to the EL, but they get a second chance at trophy and more coefficient points, securing them easier draws the following seasons.
EL winners getting a CL spot is like the winner of the Championship getting promotion to the Premier League.
CL dropouts getting into the EL at the half way stage can best be compared to letting for instance the bottom six of the PL have a playoff against the top 6 in the Championship to avoid relegation. Not only are the CL teams awarded brickloads more money and more coefficient points per win/draw compared to the EL, but they get a second chance at trophy and more coefficient points, securing them easier draws the following seasons.
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Although it will further dumb down the champions league, a spot for the Europa league winners will ensure all who take part will put out strong teams. Proabbaly work against us as harder to win(if we don't qualify for the champions league proper)
Although it will further dumb down the champions league, a spot for the Europa league winners will ensure all who take part will put out strong teams. Proabbaly work against us as harder to win(if we don't qualify for the champions league proper)
Raoul Duke
Gordon Durie
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
Excellent post, completely agree.
Excellent post, completely agree.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Re: The Europa League - brick could be about to get real...
They should ditch the group stage format and just go back to the old Cup Winners Cup format.
They should ditch the group stage format and just go back to the old Cup Winners Cup format.