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The Cricket Thread

harr1984 said:
To be fair it's an odd declaration. Firstly, England score at such a rate they will hardly ever need to declare:D especially when there isn't going to be much rain delays in a test. Secondly he declared on 390 odd that's not a particularly daunting first innings total, with the Aussies batting they could easily go beyond that. Anyway whatever, I'm firmly behind Bazball it always makes for great test cricket. If only all teams played that way....
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The weather forecast for next 2 day isn't good with rain and cloudy conditions, could be good to bowl.
 
johnola said:
Is there more money though? Counties are on a leash with the cap.
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Definitely more than Essex can offer, always get our players poached by Surrey. Some dig in and stay, I remember Masters took nearly 100 wickets one season and they offered him double your money and he stayed...its rare though
 
And there lies the issue with Bairstow. No good making those runs if you shell the chances and you net back those runs
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
The decision to declare is not looking too clever now is it? We need wind the arrogance dial back a smidge me thinks.
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I don't mind it because of the theory of not really needing to see Jimmy bat.

I think our issues centre on making historic decisions rather than the correct ones. Ali is getting peppered and Bairstow dropped everything. If that changes the declaration looks genius
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
The decision to declare is not looking too clever now is it? We need wind the arrogance dial back a smidge me thinks.
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Yeah I can't see the thought process that ever thought that was a particularly good idea - nothing more than bravado IMO. As for @Grays_1890 point about Bairstow and how it should have looked genius had he caught them - Stokes knows Bairstow is going to drop some because he's not a top class keeper which is all the more reason to get more runs in the bank - this is Australia FFS they have lots of top class batters. Saying Anderson was still to bat isn't a good enough reason, Robinson was looking well set alongside Root who was creaming it and Anderson can stick around. We should have got closer to 450 whilst not using up a lot of time, if we got bowled out so be it but it comes across as a bit of a senseless declaration regardless of result unless we are losing a whole day to weather which we aren't. But like I said before I'm all behind Bazball and we are going to lose some in this swashbuckling style, just don't get the logic behind the declaration on day one at all.....
 
harr1984 said:
Yeah I can't see the thought process that ever thought that was a particularly good idea - nothing more than bravado IMO. As for @Grays_1890 point about Bairstow and how it should have looked genius had he caught them - Stokes knows Bairstow is going to drop some because he's not a top class keeper which is all the more reason to get more runs in the bank - this is Australia FFS they have lots of top class batters. Saying Anderson was still to bat isn't a good enough reason, Robinson was looking well set alongside Root who was creaming it and Anderson can stick around. We should have got closer to 450 whilst not using up a lot of time, if we got bowled out so be it but it comes across as a bit of a senseless declaration regardless of result unless we are losing a whole day to weather which we aren't. But like I said before I'm all behind Bazball and we are going to lose some in this swashbuckling style, just don't get the logic behind the declaration on day one at all.....
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But that's the nature of risks. In other games you take two late wickets by putting them in and the dynamic looks totally different. The reason behind it is to build up pressure and have them come in and play early at the hardest times which are the end and the start of the day. You may put on another 50 taking you to 1/2 the next day but its the easiest time to bat, flat, sun's out, no Sideways movement and you take those runs off easy. No certainties you put those extra runs either, hence both tactics have their merits and pitfalls at the time (before hindsight).

Picking Bairstow who is now in a fairly big deficit despite the runs he scored based on the runs accumulated by those dropped and Ali who hasn't played for nearly 5 years who is now going for absolute piles of runs, ironically with help from Bairstow who has dropped his bowling twice are decisions that we bleed from more than the early Dec in my opinion
 
Grays_1890 said:
But that's the nature of risks. In other games you take two late wickets by putting them in and the dynamic looks totally different. The reason behind it is to build up pressure and not just have the otherwise come in and play early at the hardest times which are the end or the start of the day. You may put on another 50 taking you to 1/2 the next day but its the easiest time yo bat, flat, no Sideways movement and you take those runs off easy. No certainties you put those extra runs either, hence both tactics have their merits and pitfalls at the time (before hindsight).

Picking Bairstow who is now in a fairly big deficit despite the runs he scored based on the runs accumulated by those dropped and Ali who hasn't played for nearly 5 years who is now going for absolute piles of runs, ironically with help from Bairstow who has dropped his bowling twice are decisions that we bleed from more than the early Dec in my opinion
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1. It's a flat wicket
2. The whole point of Bazball is that you are scoring at such a rate you put a lot of time back in the game so unless a days rain is coming there was no point
3.Aussies have a quality batting lineup
4.We hadn't even reached a good total on a flat wicket
Sure second innings fine, go for it but first innings on day one when we hadn't even put ourselves into a particularly strong position? Nah, this was more about making a statement to the Aussies...
 
harr1984 said:
1. It's a flat wicket
2. The whole point of Bazball is that you are scoring at such a rate you put a lot of time back in the game so unless a days rain is coming there was no point
3.Aussies have a quality batting lineup
4.We hadn't even reached a good total on a flat wicket
Sure second innings fine, go for it but first innings on day one when we hadn't even put ourselves into a particularly strong position? Nah, this was more about making a statement to the Aussies...
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Your first point is the point though, it's proactive cricket to force the issue and a result on what is 100% a draw wicket, that's what England do now.

Of course its about a statement, always has been but It's also as much about them rushing their opposition into mistakes by applying pressure and unconventional methods. They have literally done the same thing in exactly the same areas of the game before. The whole ethos is to apply pressure by pace of game than it is logic. You could argue chucking your wicket away by taking high risks shots on is not helpful but again its part of the brand of cricket and decision making that has been successful most of the time for England. Its never going to work all the time that's the nature of sport
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Of course its about a statement, always has been but It's also as much about them rushing their opposition into mistakes by applying pressure and unconventional methods. They have literally done the same thing in exactly the same areas of the game before. The whole ethos is to apply pressure by pace of game than it is logic. You could argue chucking your wicket away by taking high risks shots on is not helpful but again its part of the brand of cricket and decision making that has been successful most of the time for England. Its never going to work all the time that's the nature of sport
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They're not rushing the Aussies into anything when declaring on day one:D They've just played their natural game. Have they done literally the same thing on day one before and declared for an average score on a flat wicket? I don't recall that and even if they had done it would have been against far inferior batting opposition. Anyway we aren't going to agree mate, for me it was at best a pointless declaration and at worst a stupid and costly one - if you feel different fair play....
 
harr1984 said:
They're not rushing the Aussies into anything when declaring on day one:D They've just played their natural game. Have they done literally the same thing on day one before and declared for an average score on a flat wicket? I don't recall that and even if they had done it would have been against far inferior batting opposition. Anyway we aren't going to agree mate, for me it was at best a pointless declaration and at worst a stupid and costly one - if you feel different fair play....
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At best you take a wicket in a notoriously harder period to bat, even in context of the flat wicket, especially end of day, hence why the night watchman is a notorious thing, there is inherently more pressure to survive the evening as openers and England took a gamble on that pressure telling, its didn't work but that's the nature of risk reward cricket.

We won't agree for sure, that's cool, enjoy the cricket pal
 
That field placing for someone on those runs against a pace bowler, absolutely ridiculous.

Its unconventional, its maverick, its never dull.....
 
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