The all new Striker thread..

[Rorschach]

Dzeko is a far superior player to Austin IMO. Yes the financials might not stack up but given a choice I'd go for Dzeko every time. To be honest I am also basing this opinion partially on his pre-City time.

 

[Rorschach]

I think that there is a difference between having a player on £100k a week when a young player breaks through, to bringing one in to be an equal to or cover for a young player who has established their self as first choice.

If I was Kane's agent and we sign Dzeko (or any other striker on big wages) I would ask for parity or he would be off to United.

This is true but our other 'star' players did not revolt when Ade came on those big wages either. My point is that having a player on high wages willnot cause a mutiny.
Kane's agent may well bleat on about pay parity but the reality is that Kane is effectively one season into his top flight career and is in a completely different negotiating position to Dzeko. Do I think personally Kane is worth it? Damn right he is, but senior players have climbed the wages table over a number of seasons and transfers and that counts for something.

 

[Finney Is Back]

It is a struggle to provide a dignified response to that.

Is that because one of them is young, hungry, not earning anywhere near £100k a week, probably wouldn't kick up a stick if he wasn't first choice every week, would consider THFC a step up and we could easily afford his transfer fee?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Dzeko is a far superior player to Austin IMO. Yes the financials might not stack up but given a choice I'd go for Dzeko every time. To be honest I am also basing this opinion partially on his pre-City time.

Is it a good idea to judge a 30 year old player on his game when he was about 26 years old?

 

[Pandy]

Is that because one of them is young, hungry, not earning anywhere near £100k a week, would consider THFC a step up and we could easily afford his transfer fee?

Okay, Austin may make more sense as a signing. But Dzeko is undoubtedly far and away the better player.

In terms of the non-footballing side of things, one thing Austin does have going against him is his injury record. Can we be certain he is past the injuries that basically stopped him making the jump to the Premiership for 3 or 4 years?

 

[Rorschach]

Is it a good idea to judge a 30 year old player on his game when he was about 26 years old?

Not totally but that's why I said I partially based my opinion on his pre-City days. Also he's only 29.

 

[Pandy]

Is it a good idea to judge a 30 year old player on his game when he was about 26 years old?

Tbf it is the fact that 4 years have passed that is a concern more than the fact that he is now 30. Dzeko is the sort of player who could do a job until 34/35 imo. He doesn't rely on pace or even strength especially.

 

[Finney Is Back]

This is true but our other 'star' players did not revolt when Ade came on those big wages either. My point is that having a player on high wages willnot cause a mutiny.
Kane's agent may well bleat on about pay parity but the reality is that Kane is effectively one season into his top flight career and is in a completely different negotiating position to Dzeko. Do I think personally Kane is worth it? Damn right he is, but senior players have climbed the wages table over a number of seasons and transfers and that counts for something.

Ade came on big wages because he was on a free transfer. He therefore received a good portion of his transfer fee value in his wage packet. Paying a transfer fee of (I'm guessing here) £18 million plus £100k a week for a 30 year old striker just isn't going to happen at Spurs (and nor should it for a player of Dzeko's prestige/talent).

 

[Finney Is Back]

Tbf it is the fact that 4 years have passed that is a concern more than the fact that he is now 30. Dzeko is the sort of player who could do a job until 34/35 imo. He doesn't rely on pace or even strength especially.

I do agree with you somewhat here, although injuries are likely to occur more frequently as his career moves on. There is also the additional question of whether the player retains the hunger to do well, many do not do so.

 

[Rorschach]

Ade came on big wages because he was on a free transfer. He therefore received a good portion of his transfer fee value in his wage packet. Paying a transfer fee of (I'm guessing here) £18 million plus £100k a week for a 30 year old striker just isn't going to happen at Spurs (and nor should it for a player of Dzeko's prestige/talent).

Ade wasn't a free transfer, 5mil or so if I recall. His wages were some 170k actually it is just Spurs were not paying all of it. I take your point that free transfer typically have higher wages but I'm not sure it is relevent to my own point really.

As for Dzeko's transfer, I agree those numbers don't really add up for 29 year old but they are not that outlandish that a deal could somehow be made. Maybe a big sign on fee like Ade to reduce the wages.

 

[Pandy]

Ade came on big wages because he was on a free transfer. He therefore received a good portion of his transfer fee value in his wage packet. Paying a transfer fee of (I'm guessing here) £18 million plus £100k a week for a 30 year old striker just isn't going to happen at Spurs (and nor should it for a player of Dzeko's prestige/talent).

It is worth considering that £100k is worth a lot less today. With the incoming TV rights deal, we have a lot more cash to spend, for example £18m on Dzeko's transfer fee.

I do agree with you somewhat here, although injuries are likely to occur more frequently as his career moves on. There is also the additional question of whether the player retains the hunger to do well, many do not do so.

I think this is a moot point. Many players lose motivation, but many also gain it. Look at Luca Toni for example, the guy was a nobody until he was 28.

Not that I'm saying we know definitively either way, but coming to Tottenham could motivate Dzeko just as much as his age could demotivate him.

He would be the bigger risk, but could also potentially provide the bigger reward when compared to Austin.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

It is worth considering that £100k is worth a lot less today. With the incoming TV rights deal, we have a lot more cash to spend, for example £18m on Dzeko's transfer fee.



I think this is a moot point. Many players lose motivation, but many also gain it. Look at Luca Toni for example, the guy was a nobody until he was 28.

Not that I'm saying we know definitively either way, but coming to Tottenham could motivate Dzeko just as much as his age could demotivate him.

He would be the bigger risk, but could also potentially provide the bigger reward when compared to Austin.

I think both of you have valid points.

However putting it in context from the clubs current view/policies.....it would be Austin all the way (if a choice of just those two)

Dzeko is just soldado again in terms of age/outlay/potentially poor sell-on if negative outcome and a bit like Ade in terms of dis-interest if not no.1 or things not going his way then drawing high wages on a longish contract.

Contrast that with Austin who is trying to push his career on the upward curve, is motivated, focussed and will realise this is a decent step up. BUT the biggest point that would support this is Poch is only interested in this type of player, one who will listen, who will absorb his tactics, style of play and most importantly be part of 'the team' .He don't want any bad apples......they do his nut in

 

[Pandy]

I think both of you have valid points.

However putting it in context from the clubs current view/policies.....it would be Austin all the way (if a choice of just those two)

Dzeko is just soldado again in terms of age/outlay/potentially poor sell-on if negative outcome and a bit like Ade in terms of dis-interest if not no.1 or things going his way then drawing high wages on a longish contract.

Contrast that with Austin who is trying to push his career on the upward curve, is motivated, focussed and will realise this is a decent step up. BUT the biggest point that would support this is Poch is only interested in this type of player, one who will listen, who will absorb his tactics, style of play and most importantly be part of 'the team' .He don't want any bad apples......they do his nut in

You are right. But Dzeko is still by far the better player! Not letting that one go aha...

 

[Finney Is Back]

It is worth considering that £100k is worth a lot less today. With the incoming TV rights deal, we have a lot more cash to spend, for example £18m on Dzeko's transfer fee.

I think this is a moot point. Many players lose motivation, but many also gain it. Look at Luca Toni for example, the guy was a nobody until he was 28.

Not that I'm saying we know definitively either way, but coming to Tottenham could motivate Dzeko just as much as his age could demotivate him.

He would be the bigger risk, but could also potentially provide the bigger reward when compared to Austin.

I'm not sure Luca Toni is the best comparison because he was a nobody until that point and therefore the motivation was likely to be there.

Remember that Dzeko has been a somebody (and I'm sure still considers himself to be). How would his motivation be if swapping high prestige Champions League games and fighting for the league title with Emirates Marketing Project for Europa Cup duty and fighting for 5th/6th place with Tottenham?

I would almost always rather have a player on the way up than on the way down. It can be different if the player is moving from overseas to embark upon a new adventure, but I would certainly rather avoid players who have already made it at higher placed clubs in the same league, especially if they are costing a considerable transfer fee.

In this case if we look at the likely numbers of an £18 million transfer fee and £100k a week wages. On a 4 year deal that is only £1 million short of £40 million. I would say that only 2 years into that contract Dzeko would have a transfer worth of somewhere around zero, and in fact with him earning £100k a week we would probably have to be stuck with him for the full 4 years (perhaps unless he agreed to a move to the UAE).

I think it would be a terrible deal to do financially for only a modest, short term improvement in our team.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Tbf it is the fact that 4 years have passed that is a concern more than the fact that he is now 30. Dzeko is the sort of player who could do a job until 34/35 imo. He doesn't rely on pace or even strength especially.

I for one are am a little concerned that we are severely lacking in the offensive pace stakes.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I for one are am a little concerned that we are severely lacking in the offensive pace stakes.

It's reassuring we are being linked to quick forwards like Berahino, Werner, Njie and Ntep, and not so much big lumps (very tenuous link to Llorente aside)

 

[Cochise]

No-one in here has mentionned Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang in here yet?? Papers reckon we are lining up a bid to rival Arsenal (who apparently have had a substantial bid turned down). Looks like a non-starter to me but worth sticking it in here.

 

[Pandy]

I for one are am a little concerned that we are severely lacking in the offensive pace stakes.

I would like to see us sign both Dzeko/Austin/someone similar AND Berahino/someone like that.

 

[parklane1]

Ade came on big wages because he was on a free transfer. He therefore received a good portion of his transfer fee value in his wage packet. Paying a transfer fee of (I'm guessing here) £18 million plus £100k a week for a 30 year old striker just isn't going to happen at Spurs (and nor should it for a player of Dzeko's prestige/talent).

Would agree with this, he is not really going to add anything except problems if he is not starting.

 

[Pandy]

I'm not sure Luca Toni is the best comparison because he was a nobody until that point and therefore the motivation was likely to be there.

Remember that Dzeko has been a somebody (and I'm sure still considers himself to be). How would his motivation be if swapping high prestige Champions League games and fighting for the league title with Emirates Marketing Project for Europa Cup duty and fighting for 5th/6th place with Tottenham?

I would almost always rather have a player on the way up than on the way down. It can be different if the player is moving from overseas to embark upon a new adventure, but I would certainly rather avoid players who have already made it at higher placed clubs in the same league, especially if they are costing a considerable transfer fee.

In this case if we look at the likely numbers of an £18 million transfer fee and £100k a week wages. On a 4 year deal that is only £1 million short of £40 million. I would say that only 2 years into that contract Dzeko would have a transfer worth of somewhere around zero, and in fact with him earning £100k a week we would probably have to be stuck with him for the full 4 years (perhaps unless he agreed to a move to the UAE).

I think it would be a terrible deal to do financially for only a modest, short term improvement in our team.

Valid points.