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Technology And Refereeing

tommysvr said:
A video ref, as they have in rugby and cricket, still gets things wrong a lot. You would find it hard to believe but the amount of decisions a video ref has got wrong in the Australian Rugby League is amazing. There is still human error and that is exactly what we're trying to get rid of.

Hawk eye for offsides would be great...but again, what if the linesman flags for offside, play stops and the hawk eye review shows that he was onside. Does the striker get the ball one-on-one again?

The only option that could be implemented right now, in my opinion, is the Goalref.
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Sure, but they will get a lot more right than just the ref and assistants currently get. And for a fraction of the cost of this new technology.

I think I've heard that the FA spend around ?ú8m on refs, training for the refs, travel expenses and so on a year (I think that was only for the PL).

?ú250k per ground is ?ú5m for the 20 PL stadiums, of course promoted teams will have to be added as they come, Wembley etc then there will be operating and maintenance costs. All this to fix a very small minority of errors made by the refs, when some fairly basic equipment and a video ref could help sort out a variety of decisions. Shambles.
 
Goal line tech to be tested at Wembley

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatures/2012/wembley-test-for-goal-line-technology.aspx


Goal-line technology will be tested at Wembley Stadium when England play host to Belgium on Saturday 2 June.

The Hawk-Eye technology will be put through its paces by independent testers EMPA during the sold-out international, which is the Three Lions’ final preparation game ahead UEFA EURO 2012.

The fixture follows on from a previous test during the Hampshire FA Senior Cup Final at St. Mary’s Stadium in Southampton on 16 May. Such tests, along with those being conducted for the GoalRef system in Denmark, could lead to the International Football Association Board approving the introduction of GLT at its special meeting at the beginning of July.

Only the EMPA observers, IFAB and FIFA representatives at Wembley will have access to the GLT system readings. Therefore, should a goal-line incident occur at this or any of the ‘test’ matches, the system will not be utilised by the match officials.It means the GLT system will have no influence on the outcome of the matches in which the system is being tested.

A FIFA spokesman said: "We would like to place on record our sincere thanks to The Football Association for their willingness to support the live match tests, a critical part of Test Phase 2 for Goal-line technology."The Phase 2 test results will be provided to the IFAB in order for a definitive decision on the use of GLT technology.
 
Question is how portable is that technology? seems like overkill for a simple problem.

This isn't cricket where you are trying to determine hieght, direction, etc, it's did it cross the line or not.

Wouldn't it be far simpler to put a chip in the ball, have a couple of completely portable sensors that could be attached to a goal post?
 
Why do they insist on over complicating this ? One man in a stand watching on a monitor - easy fudging peasy
 
Raziel said:
Question is how portable is that technology? seems like overkill for a simple problem.

This isn't cricket where you are trying to determine hieght, direction, etc, it's did it cross the line or not.

Wouldn't it be far simpler to put a chip in the ball, have a couple of completely portable sensors that could be attached to a goal post?
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Would it need to be portable? Just make it mandatory in every ground and Robert is your father's brother.

Anyway whatever they use the sooner the better. One less way to be fudged over by 'them'.
 
Raziel said:
Question is how portable is that technology? seems like overkill for a simple problem.

This isn't cricket where you are trying to determine hieght, direction, etc, it's did it cross the line or not.

Wouldn't it be far simpler to put a chip in the ball, have a couple of completely portable sensors that could be attached to a goal post?
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Install in every Premier League ground.


Hey Presto, sorted.

Though it might not come in for the FA/League Cups..


Portable sensors would mean human error, if they are required to be set up every time.
 
billyiddo said:
Why do they insist on over complicating this ? One man in a stand watching on a monitor - easy fudging peasy
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precisely
make him a qualified ref and mic him up to the man in black on the pitch and bobs your uncle

90% of disputes eradicated immediately
 
mick cooper said:
precisely
make him a qualified ref and mic him up to the man in black on the pitch and bobs your uncle

90% of disputes eradicated immediately
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If it's a man doing it your hardly likely to rule out the current 'conspiracy' theories.


Far better to have a machine that gives exactly the same requirements for every single close call every single time for every single team.
 
The ref on the pitch shouldn't call any decisions IMO. He or she should simply carry out intructions given from the 4th official.

99.99% of the time the correct application of the rules is obvious from a moniter. Very occasionally you might get something like the Carroll "goal" but that's the exception. Football is interesting enough without c**** like Foy messing it up.
 
Spursalot said:
Install in every Premier League ground.


Hey Presto, sorted.

Though it might not come in for the FA/League Cups..


Portable sensors would mean human error, if they are required to be set up every time.
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Permanent on PL grounds, but FA/UEFA/etc where you sometimes play at a brick little ground that is unlikely to have it ...

One certified Tech who flies in with it and sets it up? not so hard.
 
Naughton16 said:
The ref on the pitch shouldn't call any decisions IMO. He or she should simply carry out intructions given from the 4th official.

99.99% of the time the correct application of the rules is obvious from a moniter. Very occasionally you might get something like the Carroll "goal" but that's the exception. Football is interesting enough without c**** like Foy messing it up.
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The Carroll header was not a goal. The referee called it very well and if he'd been able to use a guy with a monitor the correct call would have been made 100 times out of 100.
 
Raziel said:
Question is how portable is that technology? seems like overkill for a simple problem.

This isn't cricket where you are trying to determine hieght, direction, etc, it's did it cross the line or not.

Wouldn't it be far simpler to put a chip in the ball, have a couple of completely portable sensors that could be attached to a goal post?
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The only chip in the ball solution came up with so far has the sensors going in under the pitch. You can see why that's not been tested.
 
Raziel said:
Question is how portable is that technology? seems like overkill for a simple problem.

This isn't cricket where you are trying to determine hieght, direction, etc, it's did it cross the line or not.

Wouldn't it be far simpler to put a chip in the ball, have a couple of completely portable sensors that could be attached to a goal post?
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Where would the chip be in the ball? If it was in the middle of the ball you'd still have the "whole ball over the line" argument, the entire surface of the ball would need to be chipped so it's not feasible.
 
camspur said:
Where would the chip be in the ball? If it was in the middle of the ball you'd still have the "whole ball over the line" argument, the entire surface of the ball would need to be chipped so it's not feasible.
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Center of ball, sensor could be exactly over the line the distance of half the ball?
 
camspur said:
Where would the chip be in the ball? If it was in the middle of the ball you'd still have the "whole ball over the line" argument, the entire surface of the ball would need to be chipped so it's not feasible.
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You can easily measure the diameter of the ball and see if the chip is further than that over the line.
 
camspur said:
Where would the chip be in the ball? If it was in the middle of the ball you'd still have the "whole ball over the line" argument, the entire surface of the ball would need to be chipped so it's not feasible.
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Putting the sensors slightly behind the line would solve that
 
Raziel said:
Center of ball, sensor could be exactly over the line the distance of half the ball?
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I'm a qualified ref and have never had 2 match balls the same shape or size given to me. The variations are minimal but enough to put a sensor off, it only has to be 2 millimeters out for the arguments to start.

Also if the sensor is in the center of the ball how is it kept there?
 
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