glorygloryeze
Les Medley
When was the last goal we scored in the league from a slide-rule pass or through ball?
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Tactics Thread
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Johnson did against Tamworth I think ?
fernadez
Vedran Corluka
Can't remember any 1v1 we've created for Solanke, where he's been played in from a through ball.
Bishop
Paul Robinson
That's not what we do mate.
Bishop
Paul Robinson
If he would mix it up the great but I have no real belief that he will and the elephant in the room is that when we have played more defensively we make no real chances. He's going to have adapt his football considerably to play more defensively and still have some sort of threat going forward because otherwise in the league we won't actually win many games play Ange's version of defensive football.
ricky2tricky4city
Colin Calderwood
With the current squad members we have to select from I've been thinking that the old Poch 4231 when Dier was CM but with the instruction to drop between the CHs (Jan and toby,) that pushed them wider and the FBs up might just be a perfect system for TF.
It may require us to buy a player to play that Dier roll or I think probably Gray or Bentancur could easily fulfil the requirements (it's not that specialized tbh).
It allows Udogie and Porro to push forward but with support and cover.
Gives Romero a better angle to deliver his midfield cutting passes and reduces the risk of him going ball hunting. It also allows VDV to go on his 'Man United away' type runs.
It may require us to buy a player to play that Dier roll or I think probably Gray or Bentancur could easily fulfil the requirements (it's not that specialized tbh).
It allows Udogie and Porro to push forward but with support and cover.
Gives Romero a better angle to deliver his midfield cutting passes and reduces the risk of him going ball hunting. It also allows VDV to go on his 'Man United away' type runs.
metalgear
Chris Jones
TF got it wrong for the Bournemouth game
We didn't stay compact enough like we did for the Emirates Marketing Project game
Of course we were home and I guess he wanted us to be more on the front foot - but found out that many of our players don't have pace and power or even courage when facing more athletic opponents
Hopefully xavi is tough enough but at least he saw the game first hand so can anticipate the physicality of the EPL.
I expect TF to be more cautious and to see us have more "defence first" games while he rejigs another gameplan. Of note, the subs were good - spence right and udogie left nullified bournemouth's attack matching physicality and pace. same for odobert and bergvall who looked more daring getting physical. also i don't think TF will be happy with Richy spending time flopping around the ground.
We didn't stay compact enough like we did for the Emirates Marketing Project game
Of course we were home and I guess he wanted us to be more on the front foot - but found out that many of our players don't have pace and power or even courage when facing more athletic opponents
Hopefully xavi is tough enough but at least he saw the game first hand so can anticipate the physicality of the EPL.
I expect TF to be more cautious and to see us have more "defence first" games while he rejigs another gameplan. Of note, the subs were good - spence right and udogie left nullified bournemouth's attack matching physicality and pace. same for odobert and bergvall who looked more daring getting physical. also i don't think TF will be happy with Richy spending time flopping around the ground.
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
Not sure he got it wrong but i do understand the point you are making. We were not good during the game for sure but i think we have to remember that its very early days for Frank and he has shown some good progress so far.
There is a old saying in football [ work in progress] and that is where we are at the moment. We have seen that he is willing to change things and until he has more then a handfull of games against teams in the Prem we have / should show some patience.
metalgear
Chris Jones
agree
maybe a better way to say it is that TF is building the team from the back. however he overestimated our attacking abilities when trying to bring the game to bournemouth.
braineclipse
Garth Crooks
Very much agreed.
Players not being available was a problem. Maddison, Kulusevski and Simons. All would have helped in a game like that. Could have started Bergvall, Gray and/or Odobert. But can understand him not going for them.
I think with the players starting there could have been tactical changes that may have helped. But very early still and even more so with Frank trying to implement different systems for different opponents, getting that and the tweaks for each way of playing instilled is going to take time.
It's also a case that there are some great managers in this league. No matter how good you are as a manager at beating your opponent tactically, setting up to counter them you'll end up second best at that in some games. And particularly when up against a team who's strength (high pressing) corresponds to a weakness in our team (ball progression under pressure).