Those tactics would give VVD a man of the match performance and see us with about 15% possession.
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Tactics Thread
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Possession stats are bloody meaningless, it's what you do with the ball when you've got it that matter. The media were brainwashed by Monsieur Magoo down at Woolwich who trotted that stat out when he didn't get a result but wanted to prove his team should have won and he was right as usual.
Who was the last team to win a match against a team and only having 15% possession?
You can't score if you don't have the ball. A handy side effect of that is neither can the opposition when you have it.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Virtually none but that was a random number you selected to emphasise your point, but we've all seen too many games where we have dominated possession and not got a result.
In that case I'll pose another question.
Can you think of a PL defender more suited to being a massive fudging lump and heading away long balls all day than VVD? There's not many.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
No that's his strength, got to pull him around and make him run to areas he does want to be in.
By lumping the ball at him?
Surely we'll need possession to pull them out of shape, and we won't have possession if we're playing route one football.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Sorry but I can't see where I suggest that, I always understood you pull players out of position by movement and passing quickly, if you had read anything I've ever said about Llorente you will see I say we can't play that long ball game to him as it buggers up our whole playing system, but you can twist it whatever way you like. I sometimes think you are Adrian Durham and just write things for effect.
Caitano
Helder Postiga
I think we can win by setting by overloading their fullbacks like Wolves and Palace tried to do. Start with Moura up front then bring on Kane depending on the score
......................Lloris
Tripper....Alderweireld....Vertonghen....Rose
............. Sissoko.....Winks
Eriksen...............Alli...............Son
.....................Moura
......................Lloris
Tripper....Alderweireld....Vertonghen....Rose
............. Sissoko.....Winks
Eriksen...............Alli...............Son
.....................Moura
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
And has been much of the season...
We have lacked cutting edge all year. How many hundreds of shots have gone straight at the keeper? How many obvious goal scoring chances missed because of a bad decision?
We have lacked cutting edge all year. How many hundreds of shots have gone straight at the keeper? How many obvious goal scoring chances missed because of a bad decision?
Cochise
Steve Carr
I might re-watch it. I was down the pub Saturday night and felt that we did bypass the press well at times but Kane, Eriksen and Dele did little with it after that. Oh and Liverpool looked too tired to press from the front from the hour mark onwards (as has been the case in our last few games with them).
Cochise
Steve Carr
Something I found interesting about the second half was how Poch adjusted the system to provide width. One part of that was forcing Lamela, Sissoko and then Moura out wide with the defensive solidity in midfield coming from KWP and to a lesser extent Rose sitting narrow and either side of Winks.
That change suited KWP to the ground as his biggest strength imo is his tidy footwork. He was asked to play almost as a midfielder and share the burden of moving the ball quickly up to the winger and spend less time trying to be something he isn't, a Kyle Walker/TAA lung bursting, jet heeled runner. There were still times he found himself up there, but they were more the exception than the rule. Neither Foyth nor Davies match the athletic FB profile, but are both tidy with the ball. Sessegnon too might suit this role equally well as he's got a very good head on his shoulders for one so young.
It's an interesting pivot to the usual positioning that we expect to see from this system under Poch.
That change suited KWP to the ground as his biggest strength imo is his tidy footwork. He was asked to play almost as a midfielder and share the burden of moving the ball quickly up to the winger and spend less time trying to be something he isn't, a Kyle Walker/TAA lung bursting, jet heeled runner. There were still times he found himself up there, but they were more the exception than the rule. Neither Foyth nor Davies match the athletic FB profile, but are both tidy with the ball. Sessegnon too might suit this role equally well as he's got a very good head on his shoulders for one so young.
It's an interesting pivot to the usual positioning that we expect to see from this system under Poch.
metalgear
Luka Modric
We should and could start the game with more pace and circulation of players up top. Maybe it's too many first Xi players out and the resulting lack of confidence. But it was a pain to watch a CL finalist struggling with a recently promoted squad. (not apples comparison, but irks emotionally)
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SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
https://betweentheposts.net/tottenh...meo-helps-break-down-aston-villa-defense-3-1/
Tottenham's #passmap.
Walker-Peters and Winks played the most passes, yet Ndombele played the most passes forward.
Looks very busy in the center; as explained in our article, Pochettino tried to add more width in the second half.
fernadez
Dean Austin
Good article, goes into what some of us were saying about the formation.
Look at Kane's movement v Moura's for example, madness by Poch. And in general way too narrow in the diamond. I still don't understand why we think playing through the middle against a parked bus is ever going to work. Not a fan of our long ball out to the full back and hope he does something tactic either, we're much much better than that.
Look at Kane's movement v Moura's for example, madness by Poch. And in general way too narrow in the diamond. I still don't understand why we think playing through the middle against a parked bus is ever going to work. Not a fan of our long ball out to the full back and hope he does something tactic either, we're much much better than that.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Good article, goes into what some of us were saying about the formation.
Look at Kane's movement v Moura's for example, madness by Poch. And in general way too narrow in the diamond. I still don't understand why we think playing through the middle against a parked bus is ever going to work. Not a fan of our long ball out to the full back and hope he does something tactic either, we're much much better than that.
It’s not a DIAMOND.... it’s a flat 3 midfield that randomly had one player 5 yards forward
It’s a shoddy 4-3-3 which doesn’t work
Said it during the game, the full backs were further forward than any midfielder and pretty much every other than moura
The big change was start of second half Moura hugged right and Lamela hugged the left touchline. We doubled up on their wide areas and it created overloads
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Against weak teams we don’t need 3 CMs... least of all ones where their strengths overlap
There really isn't any tangible difference between a 4-3-3 with a deep midfielder and one of the forwards sitting deep and a 4-4-2 diamond.
fernadez
Dean Austin
Exactly, I'm not sure what the debate actually is? Winks was deepest of the midfield and Lamela was in front of them. To be a 4-3-3- you need 3 strikers. We had two. My post and the pass map above it both show this clearly.