Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Except diamonds need sides...
Out midfielders we’re flat and sat along side each other
It’s just another trendy thing that has been put out there and adopted but actually it’s utter bollcoks
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Tactics Thread
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Except diamonds need sides...
Out midfielders we’re flat and sat along side each other
It’s just another trendy thing that has been put out there and adopted but actually it’s utter bollcoks
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
The main criticism of the diamond formation is that it is too narrow. The diamond doesn't have sides and relies (much like our brickshow of a formation) on width from the full backs.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
May as well be a fudging square or a sausage for all it matters
It’s simple what works with us 4-2-3-1
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Heat maps mean nothing
They just show where players are when they receive a ball... not where they spend most of their time standing alongside another player waiting for someone else to do something
Agreed. What's most frustrating is that it was Poch who used that to best effect. He should be better placed than anyone to see that.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Following trends it seems
That’s the catch when you become a better side, the trap is copying others rather than innovating
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I dont see Poch copying anything.
Last season he adapted to a half bastard diamond to suit the personel we had.
Saturday? No Alli, Eriksen, Lo Celso, Son...
What was he supposed to do? That he stuck with what (half) worked last season should come as no surprise.
It was poorly set up, and happily rectified later on, but I dont see the idea he is copying anyone.
When we have a full compliment to choose from I expect to see much better from him and us. And most likely not a diamond in sight
Last season he adapted to a half bastard diamond to suit the personel we had.
Saturday? No Alli, Eriksen, Lo Celso, Son...
What was he supposed to do? That he stuck with what (half) worked last season should come as no surprise.
It was poorly set up, and happily rectified later on, but I dont see the idea he is copying anyone.
When we have a full compliment to choose from I expect to see much better from him and us. And most likely not a diamond in sight
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree. Poch is a lot bothered about formations than us fans. He tends to settle on a formation that accommodates his best players which is why his favoured formation has changed nearly every season he has been with us.
I'd expect him to try a few different formations and line ups over the next couple of months before settling on something in the autumn and that being our predominant set up for the rest of the season.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I remember us playing it with Jason Dozzell at the tip and Andy Gray at the base.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Indeed. Hopefully our attackers won’t start the game so narrow at the Emptihad this weekend or our fullbacks will get run ragged by €iteh’s overloads.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I actually think a diamond has some merit against a side like City, as long as you adapt and adjust as a unit. The inherent predictability that makes it a problem against sides like Villa can be something of an advantage against sides like City - as we showed in the CL.
Like, the overload out wide from them are all well and good, but we’re basically giving them the space and showing them into more of a crowded area once it happens. So rather than break through lines, they are just running into space where we don’t intend to be anyway. It can still be exploited, by them pulling us out of position and us not adjusting when we should, but it it’s a decent option to stifle good build up.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
From that picture I have no idea what our formation was supposed to be? Was it a 4-3-3, Or 2 up top with a midfield diamond behind them? Was Lamela supposed to be playing at the tip of a diamond? (if so then his position looks OK). Whether we were playing a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 with a diamond I can only say that N'Dombele's position looks completely baffling?
fernadez
Dean Austin
City showing how it should be done there.
Look at the width amongst the 4 attacking players compared to ours. If you could lay Villa's positions on the same graphic the amount of dots would be crazy.
One of the more baffling aspects of our play was that we set ourselves up to be counter attacked the way we was by isolating our own full backs.
Look at the width amongst the 4 attacking players compared to ours. If you could lay Villa's positions on the same graphic the amount of dots would be crazy.
One of the more baffling aspects of our play was that we set ourselves up to be counter attacked the way we was by isolating our own full backs.
Whilst I'm generally anti-diamond and pro-4-2-3-1, I actually really hope we play 5-3-2 against City at the weekend. As per the graph above and below, they basically play a front 5, and so I think it's impossible for any back 4 not to be overloaded by them - especially given that they have so much possession and so much quality. In fact they basically play a 2-3-5 in possession, so let's mirror that and hit them on the break with Kane and Moura.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
From that picture there it looks as though playing 3 up front with pacy left and right sided attackers playing high up the pitch and then long diagonals to those players with Kane exploiting that gap between the two centre halves is the way to attack Emirates Marketing Project.
We are Tottenham
Kasey Keller
If we had a double diamond....that would work wonders.....
Maybe, but to do that I think you’d need to play 4 at the back, and I think with their higher quality and home advantage they’d exploit their 5 vs 4 better than we’d exploit our 3 vs 2. A bit like the second leg of CL semi (albeit with us playing diamond rather than 4-3-3), with lots of goals but more scored by City. Just IMO.