Spurs new investment

[Jurgen the German]

Hmmmmm...... Not convinced Everton are on the verge of administration due to their owner investing in players? As far as I can see they are on the verge of administration due to taking far too much debt.

Time will tell what happens to Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea. I suspect both will get a slap on the wrist comparable with the slap on the wrist that Nottingham Forest got.

Worth noting that, at present, we have never got to the squad cost control point, let alone gone beyond it by the allowed amount.

Simon Jordan said similar, that Emirates Marketing Project will get a fine and avoid relegations, titles being stripped etc.

 

[Lilbaz]

Simon Jordan said similar, that Emirates Marketing Project will get a fine and avoid relegations, titles being stripped etc.

The prem is run by the 20 chairmen. You really think they'll just let city and chelsea off the hook?

 

[Jurgen the German]

The prem is run by the 20 chairmen. You really think they'll just let city and chelsea off the hook?

No one knows until it happens but I wouldn’t be surprised. As much as clubs like Arsenal must detest Emirates Marketing Project, would they really want to win the league by default because Emirates Marketing Project have been relegated or because they have been stripped of titles and they get awarded the team that finished directly behind them in the league?

 

[P.D.]

The mindset is not incompatible with the issue of actually winning. Once you get Spurs to where they are now, the only way to increase the club's value in any significant fashion is to also be successful on the pitch. That is what will boost brand awareness more than anything and increase the value way beyond the avenues the club has been and is currently pursuing. Television revenue and commercial revenue all shoot up significantly.

As an example (the numbers I am using are for illustration only), if Spurs are now worth £3 billion and continue along the same level of performances, they'll be worth £4 billion in 10 years. If they win 3 league titles, a couple of CLs, and are always contenders for both, they'll probably be worth £5-6 billion. So why wouldn't the owners want success on the pitch?

The odds of winning 3 titles and a CL are minimal at the moment, maybe when Pep goes City might have a dip but otherwise even getting 1 title is a tall order. Liverpool got 96 points and still finished second, it took a monumental effort to actually win it requiring big investment and an element of luck with players like Salah and Mane peaking at the same time.

I'd like us to be a little bolder as well but I can understand why Levy is more cautious, you could say recognizing his flaws and seeking investment to take us higher is pretty bold in itself. He could easily keep us ticking along if needs be. I think us not qualifying for the CL has sharpened the mind.

 

[Lilbaz]

No one knows until it happens but I wouldn’t be surprised. As much as clubs like Arsenal must detest Emirates Marketing Project, would they really want to win the league by default because Emirates Marketing Project have been relegated or because they have been stripped of titles and they get awarded the team that finished directly behind them in the league?

Forget the default titles. It's less competition for the title. An extra cl place. One less team to be relegated.

Also the prem is a mini members club. How would you feel if one of the other members had been cheating and lying to you for years? Robbing you of cl places, titles and money. Doubt you'd be too pleased.

 

[Baleforce]

Forget the default titles. It's less competition for the title. An extra cl place. One less team to be relegated.

Also the prem is a mini members club. How would you feel if one of the other members had been cheating and lying to you for years? Robbing you of cl places, titles and money. Doubt you'd be too pleased.

there is context there, depends who it was, and who they stopped, some teams know they won't impact the top of the table

I have a real fondness for United, mainly the sides under Sir Alex, because they stopped the dippers winning stuff

 

[Roland Beurre]

No one knows until it happens but I wouldn’t be surprised. As much as clubs like Arsenal must detest Emirates Marketing Project, would they really want to win the league by default because Emirates Marketing Project have been relegated or because they have been stripped of titles and they get awarded the team that finished directly behind them in the league?

A hundred or so years ago, maybe ...

The controversial point in the timeline occurred in 1919. When the First Division expanded after World War I, Arsenal secured promotion from the Second Division over Tottenham despite finishing sixth in their Division while Tottenham ranked 20th in the Top Flight. Tottenham was relegated, and Arsenal’s ‘place at the top table’ became a contentious issue for Spurs’ fans, stirring the pot of rivalry.

 

[Lilbaz]

there is context there, depends who it was, and who they stopped, some teams know they won't impact the top of the table

I have a real fondness for United, mainly the sides under Sir Alex, because they stopped the dippers winning stuff

Ok if city get relegated that's one less relegation place to worry about. Every club shifts up a place.

 

[Kandi1977]

First of all you don't actually know what I want despite reading my post, you deemed that I want an oil tycoon when no that isn't what I want nor did I say that. Also no where in my post did I claim ENIC siphoned profits or even take a dividend. This is the problem with the discussion with the overtly pro ENIC crowd, you don't actually read what people who have a different view actually say and instead tell them what you think they are saying because that suits your agenda.

I clearly said I'm happy with an owner who breaks even. I don't respect the way Chelsea or Emirates Marketing Project have won things so no that isn't the model I want to follow but the model I want to follow is the one Liverpool, Arsenal, Dortmund, Sevilla, Leipzig etc, etc use and it's a model that is perfectly to us.

What I don't like is the overly cautious approach we take that ultimately leads to nothing. I want boldness from my chairman and football oversee not caution meekness.

So you want to spend more on players, but only those who have proven to be successful in hindsight....

Basically, you want a fortune (teller).

 

[Baleforce]

Ok if city get relegated that's one less relegation place to worry about. Every club shifts up a place.

I might care about that next season, time will tell

 

[Lilbaz]

I might care about that next season, time will tell

It's going to be incredibly difficult to prove. But it won't be because the other teams want to let them off the hook.

 

[Bishop]

So you want to spend more on players, but only those who have proven to be successful in hindsight....

Basically, you want a fortune (teller).

Noni don't want to spend more on players, if you've read my posts over the years I've always suggested we sell players and reinvest. I've suggested we buy speculatively and move on the ones who don't work. I want to spend better not neccesairly more.

Again you're not reading what I've actually said and instead are drawing the conclusions you want to see.

 

[Kandi1977]

Noni don't want to spend more on players, if you've read my posts over the years I've always suggested we sell players and reinvest. I've suggested we buy speculatively and move on the ones who don't work. I want to spend better not neccesairly more.

Again you're not reading what I've actually said and instead are drawing the conclusions you want to see.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing?

 

[Bishop]

Isn't that exactly what we're doing?

Also if you've read my posts I do think we are doing that now to an extent but my post was talking historically about the way the club has been run. Today is not the first day of ENIC's ownership.

I've also given the club credit for implementing that stratedgy so I'm not some rabid hater who can't see all sides, but I will give credit when due and I will absolutely criticise when that is also due.

 

[braineclipse]

Also if you've read my posts I do think we are doing that now to an extent but my post was talking historically about the way the club has been run. Today is not the first day of ENIC's ownership.

I've also given the club credit for implementing that stratedgy so I'm not some rabid hater who can't see all sides, but I will give credit when due and I will absolutely criticise when that is also due.

We are going for a lot of younger players now.

We also did a lot of that pre Mourinho. Most of the time when we've had a DoF type figure in place that's been a significant part of our strategy imo.

We did sway from that a bit with Mourinho and Conte. Though Paratici did some good deals like that when Conte was here as well.

When that comes into conflict with what the manager wants is when we move further away from it seemingly. Imo as it should be, because backing what the manager wants is also important. That's also relevant to your point about sales. If the right thing to do was to sell a very important player, but the manager didn't want that at all the consequences of doing that against the will of the manager can be rather large.

 

[SpurMeUp]

First of all you don't actually know what I want despite reading my post, you deemed that I want an oil tycoon when no that isn't what I want nor did I say that. Also no where in my post did I claim ENIC siphoned profits or even take a dividend. This is the problem with the discussion with the overtly pro ENIC crowd, you don't actually read what people who have a different view actually say and instead tell them what you think they are saying because that suits your agenda.

I clearly said I'm happy with an owner who breaks even. I don't respect the way Chelsea or Emirates Marketing Project have won things so no that isn't the model I want to follow but the model I want to follow is the one Liverpool, Arsenal, Dortmund, Sevilla, Leipzig etc, etc use and it's a model that is perfectly to us.

What I don't like is the overly cautious approach we take that ultimately leads to nothing. I want boldness from my chairman and football oversee not caution meekness.

Have a whinge, why not!

You said you wanted an owner who didn't take profit out the club. I simply flagged we do have that already. No point backtracking, moaning etc its in black and white a page or so back.

Quick question, why you don't direct your vitriol or frustration towards state-subsidised football clubs? Let me explain:

- You don't outline what is you want, just what you don't want. Which clubs have the types of owners you would like?

- Boil it down, and its trophies. As though life revolves around them and silverware will change your life. It won't. But when we get there it will be all the sweeter for the wait.

- Now the only way to have guaranteed trophies over the past two decades, is to have a club owned by an oil-rich owner with effectively unlimited funds. Yes 'pool crashed the party breifly, but couldn't sustain it.


Of course this approach is hopefully outdated and harder to get around the financial doping ruiles. We've seen Chavski trying to manipulate the rules, but failing to turn it into success so far. It is not clear what you want. I don't know if you know exactly. From the outside it looks a little bit like someone having a good ol fuking whinge!

 

[Bishop]

Have a whinge, why not!

You said you wanted an owner who didn't take profit out the club. I simply flagged we do have that already. No point backtracking, moaning etc its in black and white a page or so back.

Quick question, why you don't direct your vitriol or frustration towards state-subsidised football clubs? Let me explain:

- You don't outline what is you want, just what you don't want. Which clubs have the types of owners you would like?

- Boil it down, and its trophies. As though life revolves around them and silverware will change your life. It won't. But when we get there it will be all the sweeter for the wait.

- Now the only way to have guaranteed trophies over the past two decades, is to have a club owned by an oil-rich owner with effectively unlimited funds. Yes 'pool crashed the party breifly, but couldn't sustain it.


Of course this approach is hopefully outdated and harder to get around the financial doping ruiles. We've seen Chavski trying to manipulate the rules, but failing to turn it into success so far. It is not clear what you want. I don't know if you know exactly. From the outside it looks a little bit like someone having a good ol fuking whinge!

You need to re-read my post because you seem to lack understanding from reading it the first time. Nowhere and I'llrepeat nowhere did I say ENIC take a profit out of the club. Just go back, re-read the post and you will see you've fundamentally misunderstood and have gleaned what you think you want it to say from my post.

Why would I spout vitriol at clubs I don't support? They aren't my concern. I don't respect their methods but whatever, they aren't my problem, Spurs is. Again you don't actually read what is written and instead keep frothing at what you think you see. Liverpool, Arsenal, Athletico Madrid, Sevilla, Dortmund etc are all club models I have espoused a desire to emulate and have done many times on this very forum over the years and even in this very thread. Just use your eyes and not your ENIC filled love heart and you will see what I've said.

No trophies are not the be all and end all. I would know, I'm a Tottenham fan but winning is literally the point of the game and at some point you want to win right? If you don't actually want to win the main competition why do you want to win individual matches? You do realise that every match you win is building to winning the whole thing ultimately right?

 

[SpurMeUp]

You need to re-read my post because you seem to lack understanding from reading it the first time. Nowhere and I'llrepeat nowhere did I say ENIC take a profit out of the club. Just go back, re-read the post and you will see you've fundamentally misunderstood and have gleaned what you think you want it to say from my post.

Why would I spout vitriol at clubs I don't support? They aren't my concern. I don't respect their methods but whatever, they aren't my problem, Spurs is. Again you don't actually read what is written and instead keep frothing at what you think you see. Liverpool, Arsenal, Athletico Madrid, Sevilla, Dortmund etc are all club models I have espoused a desire to emulate and have done many times on this very forum over the years and even in this very thread. Just use your eyes and not your ENIC filled love heart and you will see what I've said.

No trophies are not the be all and end all. I would know, I'm a Tottenham fan but winning is literally the point of the game and at some point you want to win right? If you don't actually want to win the main competition why do you want to win individual matches? You do realise that every match you win is building to winning the whole thing ultimately right?

Hypocritical whinge. Where did I write you did say Enic took profit? Simply flagged that you asked for owners who don't take a profit, which Enic hasn't.

How are we different to the clubs you've quoted that you want us to be like?

 

[Bishop]

We are going for a lot of younger players now.

We also did a lot of that pre Mourinho. Most of the time when we've had a DoF type figure in place that's been a significant part of our strategy imo.

We did sway from that a bit with Mourinho and Conte. Though Paratici did some good deals like that when Conte was here as well.

When that comes into conflict with what the manager wants is when we move further away from it seemingly. Imo as it should be, because backing what the manager wants is also important. That's also relevant to your point about sales. If the right thing to do was to sell a very important player, but the manager didn't want that at all the consequences of doing that against the will of the manager can be rather large.

With regards to backing the manager you have to make decision, are you manager led or are you club stratedgy led? You can't do both and you really can't even mix and match otherwise you end with a fudge that doesn't actually work. We have many times not brought in the players a manager has wanted so followed a club stratedgy there but then held on to players we could have sold, so manager led there. It's a fudge and it doesn't work. It's either or. I'm fine with either but I would prefer a DoF led plan, assuming of course that DoF is any good.

I'm happy going for young players, I've never really bought into the idea that you have to sign ready made superstars to be successful. A lot of time the smart clubs pick up those players before they become the certified player. However if that is the model then you have truly believe in, follow and execute it.

There is no point in hiring a Mourinho for example and then giving him the likes of Rodon or Berwijn. These are not the calibre of player he requires, they are not developed enough in their game and mental state for a Mourinho to work successfully with them. Mourinho is a manager who requires the finished article, he doesn't coach attacking stratedgy he leaves that for his higher talented and mentally strong attackers to do for themselves. He's the opposite of an Ange in that respect, it's total freedom and free thought in the final third. Which works well when you have the squads he had at Chelsea in the first and second stages as well as Inter and Real Madrid. Not so well at Spurs and Roma who just don't have squads so filled to the brim with absolute mental monsters aligned with deep technique.

My criticism here for the one who needs things laid out plainly is if I as a fan am aware of the methods and context within which a Mourinho or a Conte best function or truly function at all, shouldn't the people who run this club also?

My real grief isn't about money spent it's about the actual running of the football side of the business. A lot of that is related to how we've spent the money, what we have prioritised etc but ultimately the money side is inconsequential for me really if the basics aren't being done properly.

 

[Bishop]

Hypocritical whinge. Where did I write you did say Enic took profit? Simply flagged that you asked for owners who don't take a profit, which Enic hasn't.

How are we different to the clubs you've quoted that you want us to be like?

I said "In an ideal world I don't want an owner who desires profit from Spurs" you do understand what profit or profiting means right?

ENIC have already profited from owning Spurs via the massive increase in its valuation since they've owned it. As I think my post made clear I would love an owner for whom profiting from Spurs is not their primary concern, whereas with ENIC it's quite fair to say it is.