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Son Heung-Min

harr1984 said:
Yeah of course there's logic to that I agree - but Son is no longer a player good enough that you look to play a system that gets the best out of him.

Hes one of my all time favourites, but I would have real concerns if Son was anything more than a bit part player next season. Would much rather Tel/Odobert/Moore having the time to develop on the pitch....
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We don’t know how much is decline and how much was tactics that completely negated his greatest attributes.

Nobody is advocating building a system around him at this point. We are just saying that, it may be possible that a fully fit Son within a system that doesn’t completely take away what he does best. May not be the busted flash that you make him out to be.

Either way, if we don’t allow a servant like Son to decide if he would rather stay or go, then we really don’t deserve any loyalty from any player in the future.
 
parklane1 said:
I have no problem if Son is still here next season, as long as he is only used as a player who is not going to be a regular starter and used when/if needed.
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That is how it should be
Bedfordspurs said:
We have 31 players so far for 22 European places
Of course we can have more in the league
We have to be much more ruthless
But… Sonny have earned the right to choose. I’ll stand behind that
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As bedford intelligntly said Son has earnt the right to decide what to do and for us to trust him in deciding whether we are up for it.

Realistically I think Son should be a rotation player but I have no doubt in Levys own mental algothrim he will be considering Son a prime investment. That is to say... I feel Levy will consider Son's historical past peformances as reflective off his status in the squad, and any siignings we make may be negted by Son's figruative status as an "elite player" or what have you.

Levy doesn't spend much when he signs players but once he does he doesn't seem to have a good extenral perspective of when aging ones are past it.

I absoloutely dont want to get rid of Sonny at all. I want him to stay whilst we make a concious effort to bed in a potential replacment. But I don't feel thats how we do things and that if Sonny is no longer physically capable then it will be huge loss
 
DTA said:
We don’t know how much is decline and how much was tactics that completely negated his greatest attributes.

Nobody is advocating building a system around him at this point. We are just saying that, it may be possible that a fully fit Son within a system that doesn’t completely take away what he does best. May not be the busted flash that you make him out to be.

Either way, if we don’t allow a servant like Son to decide if he would rather stay or go, then we really don’t deserve any loyalty from any player in the future.
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His greatest attributes have declined, it's not to do with tactics. You do realise that he has been in centeral postions plenty of times yet has been incapable of finding the half a yard he used to? And that when he has shot, his shooting has been nowhere near what it used to be? That where he used to be able to burst past players when dribbling he now isn't quick enough to do that?

These things have nothing to do with tactics, he's not the player he was - I don't know why you're trying to fight the fact, it happens to all players. Hes 32 ffs, and has relied on pace and sharpness so it's not a surprise....
 
harr1984 said:
His greatest attributes have declined, it's not to do with tactics. You do realise that he has been in centeral postions plenty of times yet has been incapable of finding the half a yard he used to? And that when he has shot, his shooting has been nowhere near what it used to be? That where he used to be able to burst past players when dribbling he now isn't quick enough to do that?

These things have nothing to do with tactics, he's not the player he was - I don't know why you're trying to fight the fact, it happens to all players. Hes 32 ffs, and has relied on pace and sharpness so it's not a surprise....
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He lives like a monk, so should still be as fresh as a 29 year old. I reckon he was injured and tired and in a system that didn't suit him. I think he can still get back to his best, with confidence.
 
Bullet said:
He lives like a monk, so should still be as fresh as a 29 year old. I reckon he was injured and tired and in a system that didn't suit him. I think he can still get back to his best, with confidence.
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I've said a few times that the biggest thing Sonny was guilty of was being fit for selection. I bet last season was double edged for Son. He was the first captain to lift a trophy for a very long time. He would have said the really tough season was worth the eventual outcome but if you had spoken to him in January you would have seen a very mentally and physically fatigued player. He run on empty for so long last season when he could have been rotated. We saw Odobert immediately get crocked. We saw Richi join him and we saw Werner having his own crisis. The godsend for Sonny was having Tel join. That lifted the burden.

As others have said, the system didn't quite play into his strengths.

I'm gonna try and keep an open mind on the 25/26 season with Sonny. With rotation I still think he could be a major asset.
 
Think he can be useful too as long as he's rested/rotated. An option for the right as well as he's banged in some cracking goals when cutting in onto his left foot.
Still the best finisher at the club imo.
 
Bullet said:
He lives like a monk, so should still be as fresh as a 29 year old. I reckon he was injured and tired and in a system that didn't suit him. I think he can still get back to his best, with confidence.
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In a better system and ideally playing striker he can perform better than he did under Ange. However he has physically declined, his best is gone and is never coming back. He needs that burst to get past players and he's lost it and not just last season it's been a 3 year physical decline. Do you think he's been constantly injured for the last 3 years?
 
Bishop said:
In a better system and ideally playing striker he can perform better than he did under Ange. However he has physically declined, his best is gone and is never coming back. He needs that burst to get past players and he's lost it and not just last season it's been a 3 year physical decline. Do you think he's been constantly injured for the last 3 years?
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I think some of our fans do … his age is a huge factor
 
I just don’t like the idea of him interfering with Tel and Odobert’s development, especially as one of them will have to miss out on the CL squad. Love the guy but was hoping he’d bow out on a high.
 
Son is still the best finisher at the club. Under Frank's system the wingers do not have to hog the touchline, I think this will help Son thrive.
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
Based on what?
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Based on who would you say is better?
Ok last season wasn't his best but put through 1 on 1 Sonny would be the one player in our squad at the moment who I would trust to score 8 or 9 times out of 10. He has history of 25 yard shots pinged into the top corner with both left and right feet, the only other player capable is Maddison in that respect and right foot only.
Our front line is average and despite the fact his performance has dipped he's still better than any of the other forwards we have imo.
 
yiddo37 said:
Based on who would you say is better?
Ok last season wasn't his best but put through 1 on 1 Sonny would be the one player in our squad at the moment who I would trust to score 8 or 9 times out of 10. He has history of 25 yard shots pinged into the top corner with both left and right feet, the only other player capable is Maddison in that respect and right foot only.
Our front line is average and despite the fact his performance has dipped he's still better than any of the other forwards we have imo.
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History also shows that as players get older there skills and strengths deteriorate
It was clear last year that he wasn’t hitting the ball well in front of goal
As I said previously it feels like a Hugo moment to me where people thought he would reclaim past glories despite the obvious decline
 
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