Naughton16
Clive Wilson
not going too well is it?
The reality is not many clubs have finished above Arsenal during the Wenger era. CL and silverware is a healthier target.
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So, your final thoughts 2011-2012 season?
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not going too well is it?
The reality is not many clubs have finished above Arsenal during the Wenger era. CL and silverware is a healthier target.
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Milenko Acimovic
Ah look at you all letting the 'Sky' version of Bolton Wanderers sway your judgement...
we'll let History decide shall we....?
http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/HistoryIndex
...and to think Wigan have only been in existence as a League Club since 1978 - though to be fair they were formed in 1897!
we'll let History decide shall we....?
http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/HistoryIndex
...and to think Wigan have only been in existence as a League Club since 1978 - though to be fair they were formed in 1897!
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indianspur
Guest
and Moonlit was comparing Wigan to West ham:-s
Mate, I let the brick version of Bolton I've seen in my lifetime decide my view. The club that their ambition was to lump the ball and kick their opponents. The only amusement Bolton ever provided me was the occasions they drove Wenger off the edge.
Spurs has been brick for the majority of my lifetime as well, but we at least talk about, and try to, play decent football.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Leeds Spur
Banned
fudge em. Hope I never see them again in the top flight.
paxtonwolf
Tony Marchi
I work with a few Bolton fans. So always have a bit of banter with them on a Monday morning. Did actually hope they would stay up this season, at the expense of QPR.
Yes, for years they were the awful to watch, but I felt since Coyle went there they had played a better standard of footie. As a Notherner it's a bit of a blow to lose Bolton and Wolves, (not arsed about Blackburn) and gain longer treks to Southampton and Reading,and no doubt West Ham.
Stoke did themselves no favour trying to shake off the 'Rugby team' tag yesterday. That 1st goal decision was a joke.
Yes, for years they were the awful to watch, but I felt since Coyle went there they had played a better standard of footie. As a Notherner it's a bit of a blow to lose Bolton and Wolves, (not arsed about Blackburn) and gain longer treks to Southampton and Reading,and no doubt West Ham.
Stoke did themselves no favour trying to shake off the 'Rugby team' tag yesterday. That 1st goal decision was a joke.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Agreed. Complete joke hat goal was given.
But fudge Notlob, just a few more Lancastrian mill towns to go.
But fudge Notlob, just a few more Lancastrian mill towns to go.
Sheffield Spur
Øyvind Leonhardsen
What Should Have Been..... 2011-21012.
Since it has been - repeatedly - mentioned, that an assessment on Spurs shouldn't be until the end of the season, i.e. until 38 games have been played, I'll oblige. Over the full season. Fair enough.
Between August 2011 and Mid-February 2012
Spurs played 25 league games and got 53 points. Thats an average of 2.12 points per game.
We were cruising, and SAF said we were playing the best football. We were, and looked like beating anyone. Challenging for the title was mentioned by 'the pundits' and a top 3 finish was expected by the same, let alone fans. Qualification for the CL was my pre-season expectation, with the squad we have. After the shocking form of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, I and many fans expected that end result moreso. At least.
Then......
Between 26th February 2012 and 21st April 2012
Spurs played 9 league games and got 6 points. Thats an average of 0.67 points per game.
The collapse. Appalling. Disastrous. Way clear of Arsenal. Clear daylight. Utter capitulation and nose-dive (for the second season running). Remarkable coincidence is that the England manager job becomes available, at precisely the start of that period, and our manager is a virtual cert for the job, not least due to help from his media mates. In fact Capello has the common decency to resign on the same day that Redknapp is 'cleared' from court, for tax evasion, too. Nice timing for the FA, that! Numerous press utterings by our manager over the next few weeks near sever Redknapp's ties with Spurs. Extraordinary dis-loyalty. Time for a change? But no.
Between Late April and End of Season May 2012
Spurs played 4 league games and got 10 points. Thats an average of 2.50 points per game.
A late rally of sorts, remarkably timed following Redknapp not getting the England job, and an enforced stay at Spurs. Three wins and a draw. Sounds good, except that four wins were needed (as said Redknapp himself) to secure 3rd. Which by then was looking a neccessity to secure CL. Spurs draw at an appaling Aston Villa, who shortly after sack their manager after one year, for poor performance. A win against Fulham in the last game allows a thankful Arsenal to finish in 3rd, as they too win. Turning a 10 point gap (with them behind Spurs), to being 1 point ahead. Spurs now have to rely on arch-enemy Chelsea to lose in the CL Final, to allow Spurs to get CL football next season.
Conclusion
This isn't a report, but more of a horror story! We should have WALKED 3rd place this season, with the Goons, Chelsea and Liverpool being in such a state. To blow up, again, for the second season running, points the finger at the management.
If we replace the 0.67 points per game collapse period (9 games) of February to April as per above, and use the average points per game of the earlier season (2.12 points per game) instead, we find that Spurs would have finished solidly in 3rd, with 82 points, not 69. And would have finished way above Arsenal. Which is what many of us expected. Not the abject collapse and 4th place finish by the skin of our teeth that we have had, with red faces (again).
Not good enough.
New manager needed.
New investment needed.
If the Spurs board allow Redknapp anywhere near large transfer funds, I worry. Saha and Nelsen is about his level.
Since it has been - repeatedly - mentioned, that an assessment on Spurs shouldn't be until the end of the season, i.e. until 38 games have been played, I'll oblige. Over the full season. Fair enough.
Between August 2011 and Mid-February 2012
Spurs played 25 league games and got 53 points. Thats an average of 2.12 points per game.
We were cruising, and SAF said we were playing the best football. We were, and looked like beating anyone. Challenging for the title was mentioned by 'the pundits' and a top 3 finish was expected by the same, let alone fans. Qualification for the CL was my pre-season expectation, with the squad we have. After the shocking form of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, I and many fans expected that end result moreso. At least.
Then......
Between 26th February 2012 and 21st April 2012
Spurs played 9 league games and got 6 points. Thats an average of 0.67 points per game.
The collapse. Appalling. Disastrous. Way clear of Arsenal. Clear daylight. Utter capitulation and nose-dive (for the second season running). Remarkable coincidence is that the England manager job becomes available, at precisely the start of that period, and our manager is a virtual cert for the job, not least due to help from his media mates. In fact Capello has the common decency to resign on the same day that Redknapp is 'cleared' from court, for tax evasion, too. Nice timing for the FA, that! Numerous press utterings by our manager over the next few weeks near sever Redknapp's ties with Spurs. Extraordinary dis-loyalty. Time for a change? But no.
Between Late April and End of Season May 2012
Spurs played 4 league games and got 10 points. Thats an average of 2.50 points per game.
A late rally of sorts, remarkably timed following Redknapp not getting the England job, and an enforced stay at Spurs. Three wins and a draw. Sounds good, except that four wins were needed (as said Redknapp himself) to secure 3rd. Which by then was looking a neccessity to secure CL. Spurs draw at an appaling Aston Villa, who shortly after sack their manager after one year, for poor performance. A win against Fulham in the last game allows a thankful Arsenal to finish in 3rd, as they too win. Turning a 10 point gap (with them behind Spurs), to being 1 point ahead. Spurs now have to rely on arch-enemy Chelsea to lose in the CL Final, to allow Spurs to get CL football next season.
Conclusion
This isn't a report, but more of a horror story! We should have WALKED 3rd place this season, with the Goons, Chelsea and Liverpool being in such a state. To blow up, again, for the second season running, points the finger at the management.
If we replace the 0.67 points per game collapse period (9 games) of February to April as per above, and use the average points per game of the earlier season (2.12 points per game) instead, we find that Spurs would have finished solidly in 3rd, with 82 points, not 69. And would have finished way above Arsenal. Which is what many of us expected. Not the abject collapse and 4th place finish by the skin of our teeth that we have had, with red faces (again).
Not good enough.
New manager needed.
New investment needed.
If the Spurs board allow Redknapp anywhere near large transfer funds, I worry. Saha and Nelsen is about his level.
Sheffield Spur
Øyvind Leonhardsen
fudge off taco. A blip maybe...one or two games. Not a collapse of 9.
Don't EVER tell me who to support.
punk_is_back`
Ilie Dumitrescu
If this collapse had happened at the start of the season he would have been sacked. Results spread over the seasons how consistency, but such a bad run with the manager claiming he was clueless as to what was going wrong is inexcusable.
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indianspur
Guest
it wasnt a blip though, it was a collapse, 10 point lead over 4th overturned.
its happened to other clubs in the past, blowing a big lead at the business end of the season (Saudi Sportswashing Machine quickly comes to mind) im sure there are plenty of others, but this time it happened to us
oh well, live and learn and all that
Which in hindsight would have been a mistake based on the final result.
This thread is useless unless someone is willing to do the comparison of what was the worst run of the season for Scum/Pool/Cheat$ki/Manure/City plus perhaps Everton/Fulham/Villa type squads.
Between May 12th and May 14th we averaged 3 points per game. If we had achieved that level through out the season we would have got 114 points making us champions.
We all know a season is 38 games, the only points per game average that matters is over those 38 games. Splitting the season up is pointless and just an excuse to start another thread banging on about how we blew it.. Our target was top 4, we achieved top 4. Of course it'd be nice to finish above Arsenal but if Chelsea lose next week, we're in the CL and I couldn't give a fudge where Arsenal finished. If Chelsea win, so be it. We give it another go next year.
We all know a season is 38 games, the only points per game average that matters is over those 38 games. Splitting the season up is pointless and just an excuse to start another thread banging on about how we blew it.. Our target was top 4, we achieved top 4. Of course it'd be nice to finish above Arsenal but if Chelsea lose next week, we're in the CL and I couldn't give a fudge where Arsenal finished. If Chelsea win, so be it. We give it another go next year.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Why can't people see this? jol was sacked for a poor start after finishing 5th
Leeds Spur
Banned
Why don't you do it? Otherwise agree with the OP and move on.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Levy was itching for an excuse to sack Jol. Not exactly the same circumstances I would say.