LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
He did it coz he loves to offend Muslims. Him and Scara take sport at trying to incite me and other Muslims. Small minded racists.
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Sick sick world what is wrong with people
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Funny how no response to this. As it never actually happened.
Would you like me to talk you through the difference between race and religion?
Or do you already know the difference and just like shouting "racist" to close off conversation you don't like?
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Is anti semtisim racism? If yes then so is Islamophobia.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
Had a quick call today with a few if my ex polish colleagues. They are still bricking it
My friend who are out there now in the military are on full radio silence. We are nervous as hell with what’s gonna happen
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
I don’t post in this thread despite sounding too much time on here because it’s become a nasty place. But I wanted to share something
My regular Evrim delivery driver is a Muslim chap, he comes from Pakistan.
Had a chat with him a week before Christmas abiut what he gets paid to deliver and collect. We now break our order into smaller chunks so he gets more money
The reason for the post is we was gonna give him a crate if beer but he doesn’t drink then we were give him a cash tip in a card but completely forgot. He came the other day and my wife had left out an Italian Christmas cake a Panettone. I gave it to him. He was over the fudging moon.
When he came this morning he was so chatty about how much it meant to him and his family
He works 7 days a week to pay the bills to feed his family. His wife sometimes does it with him to take extra parcels so he can see his son. What they are are great human beings who happen to be Muslim. I’d take them as friends or employees every day of the week over some of the scum I see or hear about who aren’t Muslim or arent brown
My regular Evrim delivery driver is a Muslim chap, he comes from Pakistan.
Had a chat with him a week before Christmas abiut what he gets paid to deliver and collect. We now break our order into smaller chunks so he gets more money
The reason for the post is we was gonna give him a crate if beer but he doesn’t drink then we were give him a cash tip in a card but completely forgot. He came the other day and my wife had left out an Italian Christmas cake a Panettone. I gave it to him. He was over the fudging moon.
When he came this morning he was so chatty about how much it meant to him and his family
He works 7 days a week to pay the bills to feed his family. His wife sometimes does it with him to take extra parcels so he can see his son. What they are are great human beings who happen to be Muslim. I’d take them as friends or employees every day of the week over some of the scum I see or hear about who aren’t Muslim or arent brown
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Ah, you do want me to explain - ok then. Did think you were smarter than that, but one should never assume.
The word Muslim is used to describe followers of a particularly abhorrent religion known as Islam. Much like the word Christian, it is used to describe someone who has made particularly poor life choices that are not compatible with a civilised world and therefore can (and should) be criticised for having done so.
Compare and contrast with the word Arab, for example. This is used to describe people whose familial lineage is based in the Arabian peninsular and neighbouring territories. This is an accident of birth and should not be criticised as this is not a choice that has been made.
Such a split in linguistic terms cannot be made with your example. The term Jew has been used for centuries to describe both those who follow Judaism (ridiculous choice worthy of criticism) and those with genetic and cultural lineage akin to the term Arab.
The vast majority of anti-Semitism has nothing to do with religion (at least, not on the part of the victims) and everything to do with prejudice and racism.
However, there has been a concerted effort over the past decade or so to conflate racism (people disliking those because of their skin colour/nationality) with Islamophobia. A smart move that I would have thought beyond the planning skills of most adherents to such religions. The effect is that it becomes increasingly difficult to (rightly) criticise misogynistic and homophobic, stone age belief systems without otherwise reasonable and intelligent people pointing and shouting "racist" in an attempt to shut down valid criticism of religion.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So you are saying this is the reason antisemitism is racism but you will not be applying it to islamophobia as YOU do not believe the people who abuse me and my family are racist or prejudice. This is entirely useless as a rule dude. I thought you were brighter than this.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
When my old Grandad was attacked by the NF round Whitechapel in the 80s for looking like a Jew I don't think it really matters what it is, similarly to when people spread a lie so that people go up North to try and smash up mosques, hate is hate is hate.........Racism or bigotry....take your pick
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Bit of a blanket statement....but if it gives you comfort.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
How Scara thought this was a gotchya is beyond me, he literally says nothing that means anything other than these people should be protected for their choices and these others should not for their choices. Absolutely bonkers take from what you would assume is a man with some intelligence. I mean he is intelligent in my view and also entirely insincere and full of radicalised hate.
No, I'm saying that calling racism Islamophobia in order to shut down criticism of Islam is disingenuous and damaging to the valid attempts to stop racism.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
I'm not sure Scaras long drawn out reasoning statement is going to resonate with his boys on the front line.
Precisely my point. Nobody was asking about his religion or even if he was religious - that's flat out racism.
Criticising religion is not racism, not matter how much @LutonSpurs would like it so be.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Nobody said otherwise. What the hell are you talking about?
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
The debate is that according to you the vast amount of antisemitism is racism. And I'm saying the same rule can be be applied to the vast amount of Islamophobia. You said not the case. But now you have decided it's a different argument? Dude be better. Whataboutery 101 from you here.
Lol, you said that very thing last night. Allow me to quote:
Describing me as racist for insulting religion.
You're the one conflating race and religion to try and stop the criticism of religion.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So this was in response to Marky posting a horrid picture and you defending it. Go back and read the thread dude. And yes you and Marky have consistently shown overt racism towards Muslims on this forum for years.
You did it again.
"...racism towards Muslims"
That's just not possible. That's like accusing someone of racism towards people who smoke, or people who eat too much.
Calling criticism of Islam racism is just trying to shut down a valid conversation about whether there is a place for such religions in a civilised world (clue: there isn't).
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So you have said most antisemitism is just racism towards israelis in the past. And I have been called terrorist and Muslims have been attacked for being brown and Pakistani. It is the same. But you have one rule for one and another rule for another. You have no solid grasp of what you seem to be claiming is some sort of enlightened position. It doesn't make sense to me.