This is the kind of water where everyone is sat at the beach, ready to laugh at the first one stupid enough to go in.
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Saido Berahino
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This is the kind of water where everyone is sat at the beach, ready to laugh at the first one stupid enough to go in.
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
Honestly cannot see what are the cons to this move - other than Peace and his ego...
Ideally the player we should recruit would have:
- an age less than 24
- evident potential
- natural goal scorer instincts so we can bring on in games like Watford or even be able to play 4-4-2 against teams that park the bus
- a decent bit of pace on him;
- experience of the Premier League to have the best chance of hitting the ground running from January and make the most of this unique season
- be flexible and able to play in the wide areas
Who else other than Berahino fits this bill perfectly?
Hope Levy gets this and is more flexible in the negotiations
Ideally the player we should recruit would have:
- an age less than 24
- evident potential
- natural goal scorer instincts so we can bring on in games like Watford or even be able to play 4-4-2 against teams that park the bus
- a decent bit of pace on him;
- experience of the Premier League to have the best chance of hitting the ground running from January and make the most of this unique season
- be flexible and able to play in the wide areas
Who else other than Berahino fits this bill perfectly?
Hope Levy gets this and is more flexible in the negotiations
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
- Not suited to playing as a lone forward, and we have loads of (better) versatile wide forwards
- By all accounts a bit of a tool (scrapping with teammates/drink driving) who could upset the happy camp we've finally established
- Barely played in 9 months, so would take 2-3 months to get up-to-speed
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Dembele?
Ramirez?
Afobe?
All a fraction of the price, more Kane-like in style and without the baggage
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
As usual, you make things up when a player is not one your favourites. Total load of rubbish; Berahino played often a lone forward under Irvine, scoring goals in the process.
The drink driving was BEFORE our intense attempts last summer doh! As for scrapping withe his team mates... is that another of the figments of your imagination? didn;t see any reports or claims to that effect this year
Where did you invent that from? 9 months? So who was the Saido Berahino playing for WBA in March, April and May 2015? He had a full pre-season, been training regularly since then - even doing extra stints on his own.
He will take two to three weeks, but then nobody expects him to jump straight into the starting 11...
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
Dembele would be a great buy.... but not for this season
However all three lack the two most important features that Poch values: Premiership experience and versatility.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
EPL experience - like 3/4 of his most successful signings (Dier, Alli and Son; the 4th being Alder)?
And Dembele is no less versatile than Kane, the player he'd be understudying. The modern number 9 is such a complex role, that it does need a specialist more than most.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Demebele could easily have a string impact for us quickly as much as he could disappear too
I like the look of him but feel we need to move quick to get him and he is available due to their finances at reasonable money
I like the look of him but feel we need to move quick to get him and he is available due to their finances at reasonable money
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
I need to get back to a demebele after the Xmas binge.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
There's a huge difference between playing as a lone striker at a club playing a counter attacking style trying to avoid relegation and playing as a lone striker for us when we frequently enjoy most of the possession and the majority of PL teams will set out to not allow us to counter attack.
At most GB is overstating his point. Arguably we don't know enough about Berahino to say if he can play as a lone striker for us or not. But concerns about how he fits into our current system are clearly warranted.
Questions about his attitude are also warranted imo. It could be that this is just a frustration and inexperience issue and that working under Pochettino will fix that. But Pochettino is not a miracle worker, as seen with Gasston Ramirez and Osvaldo at Southampton and seen with the number of players we've tried and then shipped out under him for us. I don't see an argument for saying that his attitude looks spot on for our team at the absolute very least.
His lack of height and strength are other issues imo (as I've argued repeatedly). He's also still rather unproven at a PL level, and obviously completely unproven at a bigger team. He's just gotten past 20 league goals over 41 league starts (and 34 sub appearances) over 2.5 seasons, a very good goal return for a smaller side, but still something that could be attributed to form/variance.
It may be that he's the best option out there. But to me he doesn't fit the bill perfectly. And as I've said repeatedly I think Son would have scored quite a few playing as a striker for a counter attacking WBA side.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I think he is more suited to playing as a lone forward than any of our existing versatile wide forwards.
From where have you got information that he has scrapped with teammates?
He has played numerous games in the last 9 months and has even made appearances from the bench recently. I think he would be ready to come on as sub and play the last 30 minutes of games right away and would probably only need a month or so to get up to fitness to be starting games.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
How often have you watched those 3 players?
Dembele I like from what I have seen of him (although that isn't very much at all). I can't confess to having seen Ramirez at all and (again from the little) I have seen of Afobe he didn't look to be a similar sort of player to Kane at all.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
While I agree with you here that there is a huge difference here, Berahino isn't the typical strong, muscular, pacy centre forward who you would expect to thrive for a counter attacking team and fail when playing for a possession based side. I think his main attributes are his movement, touch and awareness. He also happens to have some pace and is strong enough to be able to fight off defenders when isolated up front. I would say that Berahino's biggest weakness is that he doesn't really win the ball in the air when up against centre halves and it is probably this weakness that has Pullis preferring Rondon over him in their starting line-up.
According to Wiki, Dembele is 6ft and Berahino is 5ft 11. Not much in it. I don't think the difference in height would be a reason to sign one over the other, being that it's a small difference. We're not talking Tony Cottee v Niall Quinn.
Also, I don't agree that we never get to counter-attack because we're so good that teams just sit on their 18 yard box against us. Every single game we play, we get counter attack opportunities -- the thing is, we rely on perfect passes to execute them because our attack has very little pace.
As for Premier League proven, none of our current alternatives to Kane have many prem league goals and then Berahino only has 1 season's worth -- but so did Kane before this season...it's tricky!
Anybody we sign will be a punt, so we have to get a player with the right attributes and hope it works out. Whilst Berahino isn't like-for-like with Kane, he does have strings to his bow that would, imo, improve our attack and he could also play in the same team as Kane.
Also, I don't agree that we never get to counter-attack because we're so good that teams just sit on their 18 yard box against us. Every single game we play, we get counter attack opportunities -- the thing is, we rely on perfect passes to execute them because our attack has very little pace.
As for Premier League proven, none of our current alternatives to Kane have many prem league goals and then Berahino only has 1 season's worth -- but so did Kane before this season...it's tricky!
Anybody we sign will be a punt, so we have to get a player with the right attributes and hope it works out. Whilst Berahino isn't like-for-like with Kane, he does have strings to his bow that would, imo, improve our attack and he could also play in the same team as Kane.
Eatmyownbrainwithaspork
John Gorman
I honestly think that if there is anyone who can develope SB it is Poch. SB must want to come to us - I mean, look at where we are, what our potential is, our record at bringing through talent and the future with the stadium. He would surely knuckle down and be a good boy. Plus the training seems to be so intense and structured and we also have a group of players who clearly won't take any crap, that he would adapt quickly and maybe do some rapid growing up. When he's form, he is a real talent. I like the edge, I like his rawness and the times I've seen him when he has been singing, he's been classy. That said, I turst in Poch to make the right call, so if it's SB, SR or anyone else, I'm sure I'll get behind them.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I wonder how much of this is down to us egging him on (via his agent)?
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Tbf it would appear that Berahino was the injured party. It hardly makes him joey Barton.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
I agree, but it can be looked at both ways....though of course he is unlikely to be as bad as Joey Barton (though there was some ITK saying he is being VERY unprofessional right now at WBA and Poch has been put off because of it...)