Ryan Mason

[DubSpur]

Sounds like a young man wouldn't know how to deal with a chairman until he has had experience elsewhere as a manager.

Not surprising really when it comes to you, you can't have any post about levy.

What do you actualy know about Mason to suggest that he is his own man? Just stupid bias.

Some wouldn't, some would. Just like some young players wouldn't know how to stand up to older, senior, players, but he did.
Looking at him on the sidelines he looked like he was arguing with Stellini and disagreeing with Conte on one or two occasions.
He dropped Dier and Perisic, two of the senior pros, so even as caretaker he's willing to make decisions.

And what experience would he get dealing with a chairman elsewhere? He might never speak to a chairman at another club once negotiations are complete.

As Billy has said Levy hasn't a track record of wanting puppets. There are also going to be extra layers between the manager and Levy.

 

[DubSpur]

In this case Mason is a Levy man, the same way Pleat was ... difference is levy wanted both Conte and Mourinho.

But if he went away for a couple of years and came back he wouldn't be a Levy man? Zero logic there.

 

[Gazza]

But if he went away for a couple of years and came back he wouldn't be a Levy man? Zero logic there.

No not really, he would be more appealing to the fans if he went elsewhere and proved himself rather than just being given the job because he is there ... prefer him on merit no?

 

[billyiddo]

In this case Mason is a Levy man, the same way Pleat was ... difference is levy wanted both Conte and Mourinho.

What is a Levy man exactly and what makes Mason one? Or Pleat for that matter

 

[Gazza]

What is a Levy man exactly and what makes Mason one? Or Pleat for that matter

Someone that has been around the set up to make it long enough. Mason does not deserve the managers role on merit or it that way.

 

[billyiddo]

Someone that has been around the set up to make it long enough. Mason does not deserve the managers role on merit or it that way.

Mason's been here as a coach for 2-3 years, which makes him a Levy man, which would make him a puppet as a manager? I'm not following that logic tbh

I think it's fair/arguable to say that on merit, he wouldn't deserve the job over some other names, at least in terms of actual managerial experience - however none of us know what qualities he has shown of himself on the training pitch/behind the scenes, for all we know he is highly thought of and is displaying the right kind of characteristics, similar to Arteta which is why Arsenal took the punt on him despite the lack of experience. Fwiw I'm not considering him an option, i just wouldn't be any more enthused with us appointing some of the coaches we have been linked to.

 

[Gazza]

Mason's been here as a coach for 2-3 years, which makes him a Levy man, which would make him a puppet as a manager? I'm not following that logic tbh

I think it's fair/arguable to say that on merit, he wouldn't deserve the job over some other names, at least in terms of actual managerial experience - however none of us know what qualities he has shown of himself on the training pitch/behind the scenes, for all we know he is highly thought of and is displaying the right kind of characteristics, similar to Arteta which is why Arsenal took the punt on him despite the lack of experience. Fwiw I'm not considering him an option, i just wouldn't be any more enthused with us appointing some of the coaches we have been linked to.

Comparing him to Arteta is laughable ... Arteta had been under pep and a very successful team in Emirates Marketing Project ... Masons experience its under two managers who the fans never took to, in a very toxic environment.

You don't need to follow any logic it's my opinion. As was your mates opinion that he was not.

I think a manager that has achieved and proven his worth could make demands from Levy ... Mason doesn't have that luxury. That's my logic and opinion.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Mason's been here as a coach for 2-3 years, which makes him a Levy man, which would make him a puppet as a manager? I'm not following that logic tbh

I think it's fair/arguable to say that on merit, he wouldn't deserve the job over some other names, at least in terms of actual managerial experience - however none of us know what qualities he has shown of himself on the training pitch/behind the scenes, for all we know he is highly thought of and is displaying the right kind of characteristics, similar to Arteta which is why Arsenal took the punt on him despite the lack of experience. Fwiw I'm not considering him an option, i just wouldn't be any more enthused with us appointing some of the coaches we have been linked to.

You never know until you try
I like mason
Been impressed again with the way he has Carried himself and also how he has adapted the team
Makes better subs too

 

[billyiddo]

Comparing him to Arteta is laughable ... Arteta had been under pep and a very successful team in Emirates Marketing Project ... Masons experience its under two managers who the fans never took to, in a very toxic environment.

You don't need to follow any logic it's my opinion. As was your mates opinion that he was not.

I think a manager that has achieved and proven his worth could make demands from Levy ... Mason doesn't have that luxury. That's my logic and opinion.

Yes you're entitled to your opinion I'm just trying to figure out what it is you mean or why you think it, you know this is a discussion board afterall - not really seeing what you mean by Mason being a puppet if a manager, hence why I'm asking.

I don't really see what is laughable about comparing a coach who has gone in to management with zero experience in the role with another coach who may do so soon - you've always been quite dismissive of Pep as a manager iirc and I'm sure you've argued in the past that Mourinho was by far the better manager - well Mason worked under him and under Conte so has seen two big name elite managers up close and in person - does that kind of experience not count for anything? or are you suggesting that you can only learn from managers when things are going well?

 

[Gazza]

Yes you're entitled to your opinion I'm just trying to figure out what it is you mean or why you think it, you know this is a discussion board afterall - not really seeing what you mean by Mason being a puppet if a manager, hence why I'm asking.

I don't really see what is laughable about comparing a coach who has gone in to management with zero experience in the role with another coach who may do so soon - you've always been quite dismissive of Pep as a manager iirc and I'm sure you've argued in the past that Mourinho was by far the better manager - well Mason worked under him and under Conte so has seen two big name elite managers up close and in person - does that kind of exlerience not count for anything? or are you suggesting that you can only learn from managers when things are going well?

Not really dismissive of pep and definitely rate Mourinho and Conte as managers. Just not given the right tools and environment at tottenham to show what it takes to get that winning mentality translated into the pitch.

Mason is unknown outside of this club ... Arteta was making waves at city that teams in Spain were eyeing him up.

I think he has learned a system under pep and clearly is implementing it. Mason?

Really cannot compare the two.

 

[thfcsteff]

Comparing him to Arteta is laughable ... Arteta had been under pep and a very successful team in Emirates Marketing Project ... Masons experience its under two managers who the fans never took to, in a very toxic environment.

You don't need to follow any logic it's my opinion. As was your mates opinion that he was not.

I think a manager that has achieved and proven his worth could make demands from Levy ... Mason doesn't have that luxury. That's my logic and opinion.

We've seen how that's worked!!!!! We're now in the 'here's hoping Levy's REALLY learnt the lesson' saloon...

 

[thfcsteff]

Not really dismissive of pep and definitely rate Mourinho and Conte as managers. Just not given the right tools and environment at tottenham to show what it takes to get that winning mentality translated into the pitch.

Mason is unknown outside of this club ... Arteta was making waves at city that teams in Spain were eyeing him up.

I think he has learned a system under pep and clearly is implementing it. Mason?

Really cannot compare the two.

Both failed with us because each believed they could/would tame Levy into their way, yet neither could. In Mourinho's case, he lied to get the job (stated on several occasions he could achieve more with the squad than was being achieved when it was clear back then areas needed rebuilding), and in Conte's case, he simply did not deliver on his previous behaviors whereby the moment someone does not give him exactly what he wants, he blows up and walks. I am not saying in any way that Mason is comparable with regards to career (that would be silly on my part) but what you cannot deny is he has looked to make more use of the squad he has in ways which bring out the best in said-players than his predecessor, who simply kept hammering away the same system and routines despite injuries robbing him of his best players to play it!

 

[Gazza]

We've seen how that's worked!!!!! We're now in the 'here's hoping Levy's REALLY learnt the lesson' saloon...

Third time lucky? Or just take another punt for Levy... ends up with the same result I suppose.

Just hope he has learned and moved on. Either that he goes again with a successful manager and clears the squad and gives time to rebuild with the manager in place.

Just have seen nothing from Mason to suggest that he could build a team.

 

[Gazza]

Both failed with us because each believed they could/would tame Levy into their way, yet neither could. In Mourinho's case, he lied to get the job (stated on several occasions he could achieve more with the squad than was being achieved when it was clear back then areas needed rebuilding), and in Conte's case, he simply did not deliver on his previous behaviors whereby the moment someone does not give him exactly what he wants, he blows up and walks. I am not saying in any way that Mason is comparable with regards to career (that would be silly on my part) but what you cannot deny is he has looked to make more use of the squad he has in ways which bring out the best in said-players than his predecessor, who simply kept hammering away the same system and routines despite injuries robbing him of his best players to play it!

This suggests to me that the managers mentioned knew what they needed to be successful but levy wouldn't cooperate. Mason however would do the best with the average squad that we have and not try to bend levy? So again I go back to my point ... those two managers wouldn't play to levys tune but Mason probably would ... see where I'm going with this?

 

[billyiddo]

Not really dismissive of pep and definitely rate Mourinho and Conte as managers. Just not given the right tools and environment at tottenham to show what it takes to get that winning mentality translated into the pitch.

Mason is unknown outside of this club ... Arteta was making waves at city that teams in Spain were eyeing him up.

I think he has learned a system under pep and clearly is implementing it. Mason?

Really cannot compare the two.

Arteta was a bigger household name due to his playing career which is likely why he had suitors from Spain, that doesn't really speak for his abilities at the time and I'd like to think that being a coach/manager is more complex than copying another managers setup, though in the case of Arsenal & Arteta i certainly hope that's the limit of his managerial qualities because it will be a short lived career if that's all he has got going for him.

 

[thfcsteff]

This suggests to me that the managers mentioned knew what they needed to be successful but levy wouldn't cooperate. Mason however would do the best with the average squad that we have and not try to bend levy? So again I go back to my point ... those two managers wouldn't play to levys tune but Mason probably would ... see where I'm going with this?

I think it'd be too much too young for Mason for sure. But he has shown some great ideas and progression; he looks set to become a great manager down the line...

 

[Gazza]

Arteta was a bigger household name due to his playing career which is likely why he had suitors from Spain and I'd like to think that being a coach/manager is more complex than copying another managers setup, though in the case of Arsenal & Arteta i certsinly hope that's the limit of his managerial qualities because it will be a short lived career if that's all his got going for him.

I'm sure he has learned a thing or two playing under wenger also. Arteta unfortunately has also played in various successful teams and countries... Mason has limited experience both as a player and as a coach/manager.

I hope he goes away and learns the trade in a major way only to return and be our manager on merit.

 

[spurspinter1]

This suggests to me that the managers mentioned knew what they needed to be successful but levy wouldn't cooperate. Mason however would do the best with the average squad that we have and not try to bend levy? So again I go back to my point ... those two managers wouldn't play to levys tune but Mason probably would ... see where I'm going with this?

@thfcsteff un-ironically thinks the best job in work football is Spurs ffs. There's no point in trying to untangle that mess of delusion. We're brilliant, whether we are or aren't. It's darkest before the dawn, so if things seem really bad it's only because they're about to get better.....So arguably getting worse is an improvement.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

My caretaker !

 

[thfcsteff]

@thfcsteff un-ironically thinks the best job in work football is Spurs ffs. There's no point in trying to untangle that mess of delusion. We're brilliant, whether we are or aren't. It's darkest before the dawn, so if things seem really bad it's only because they're about to get better.....So arguably getting worse is an improvement.

I am not sure if this is a discussion? If it is, feel free to point me to the post where I said that. Thanks.