Fair enough. What do you think of the idea that Mason gives the ball away a lot not just because he's trying to be risky and creative (which I accept), but also because he just isn't very accurate?
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Ryan Mason
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Fair enough. What do you think of the idea that Mason gives the ball away a lot not just because he's trying to be risky and creative (which I accept), but also because he just isn't very accurate?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Agreed. But do you think it's down to a lack of ability or more just him still adjusting to life as a regular PL starter?
How many games for England to players like Cleverley have?
Certainly a chance I would say. I think he would do well at an international level and his work rate and defensive effort must surely impress Hodgson.
Bit selfish perhaps, wish the lad all the best, but I kinda hope he gets to stay away from the England circus a bit longer.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Doubt anyone would argue there's room for improvement but we really need to be able to compare his success rate for speculative forward passes with the average for that type of pass, ie attempts at laying the ball into space beyond or over the top of a crowded the defence for an alert forward to run onto. Never easy.
Part of the problem is anticipation from team-mates, the likes of Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli in particular are no doubt still getting to know what to expect from him. At all events the fella is still finding his feet at this level and improving all the time so maybe we just need to cut him a bit more slack meantime?
Cochise
Steve Carr
Might not be so much of a circus if Kane, Walker and in a few years Dier join up. I still like watching England and since the world cup I think we have looked a better side.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Don't know. Even if England are looking better I trust Poch and our coaches to give our players much better advice and impressions than the England setup and the almost inevitable hype-slate cycle that the English press will provide for the players involved.
Luckily most our youngsters seem level headed and hard working. Hopefully will protect them from the necessary evil that is international football (aware I'm being slightly hyperbolic here before someone takes me too literally)
GrimsbyYid
Gus Poyet
The thing is though, it's not that he's just missing creative threaded passes, he very often miplaxes the most standard of passes. It's such a cheap and agenda-driven defence saying it's because he's trying so many amazing passes all the time, that's why he's gving the ball away lots. One. It's wrong. Two. If that's the case how many assists as he got if he's co stently trying to make these amazing passes?
I really think he's a fraud. I'm aiting to be convinced but never am.
He does miss easy passes, you are right there. But why focus on that? It's not hindering us at all, whereas his energy, workrate, tackling and purposeful play, where he's often looking to move the ball forwards and keep our tempo high -- they are all helping our play a lot. He lifts those around him imo, in a way where players like Paulinho do not. Even if Paulinho might not miss so many easy passes.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that you are in danger of talking yourself into a corner and certainly in no position to start talking about agendas.
I don't think that what you are saying is supported by the facts. Here is a comparison of Mason and Ramsey from yesterday's game. Does this match what you are saying?
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
I think that you are in danger of talking yourself into a corner and certainly in no position to start talking about agendas.
I don't think that what you are saying is supported by the facts. Here is a comparison of Mason and Ramsey from yesterday's game. Does this match what you are saying?
Just for clarification,
1. the red arrows are the misplaced passes, the green the completed? And do we have the stats for each?
2. In the first map Spurs are aiming towards the top goal, in the second I take it Arsenal are aiming for the one at the bottom end?
GrimsbyYid
Gus Poyet
Possibly. And I'm mot saying it's all Importent, but I don't see the the work rste as good enough. I want to see someone who offers more, if he's our more attacking cm, why doesn't he get more goals, or more assists? Why's he not really splitting defences apart if he's going for these high risk passes?
I just think POCH seems to have this ability to instil this incredible work ethic in players, so imagine someone with that, but much more technical ability. I just think it's an easy upgrade.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Yes. The red are misplaced passes the green completed. Spurs are playing upwards, Arsenal down.
The stats are from here
http://epl.squawka.com/tottenham-ho...-2015/english-barclays-premier-league/matches
Mason had a 79% pass completion, Ramsey 71%
GrimsbyYid
Gus Poyet
I'm not in danger of anything, I have my opinion based on what I see. What more can I do? And not only is that map a mess, I do t really care what you think it says. And I don't care about Ramsey.
I'm talking about our player. And for me he's not technically good enough. Simple as that.
Modric got hardly any goals or assists, but everyone loved him. Mason is better defensively than Modric imo (he certainly clatters people a lot more!), and I think he is a player that our other players enjoy having in the team. Some things aren't quantifiable, but we are developing a good chemistry in the team with a group of academy products (Mason, Bentaleb, Kane, Rose) and we should keep that going imo.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm not sure why you bother posting about him if you are not interested in discussing why you think what you do and why others might disagree.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
milo
Jack L. Jones
benp
Reto Ziegler
i'm standing by my point that his passing can improve. it will have to at some point if he wants to be a long term starter.
BUT
his passion and mentality are what you need in a winning team. he just wants to win. he is committed to the team. having players like him will force signings to match his level. I'm a big fan after that performance - I'd really like someone better than what we currently have to challenge him, but I think he definitely deserves a rotating starter role
BUT
his passion and mentality are what you need in a winning team. he just wants to win. he is committed to the team. having players like him will force signings to match his level. I'm a big fan after that performance - I'd really like someone better than what we currently have to challenge him, but I think he definitely deserves a rotating starter role
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
I think you have perfectly summed up Mason... Would I like Cabaye or someone like him? Definitely! But at the moment Mason is putting in a decent shift where the positives well outweigh his limitations.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Were you at the game yesterday? Mason was incredible, yes he gave a few passes away (but never really in dangerous positions) but his energy was fantastic, as well as winning more tackles than any other player on the pitch his wok rate off the ball when we were in possession was noticeable, he always made angles to receive the ball. He outshone every single Arsenal midfielder - Carzola and Ramsey couldn't get a look in.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Got it, thanks.