Rodrigo Bentancur

[Robbo]

Waiting for a real fixture pile up moment.

They certainly make it easy for the conspiracy theorists among us, that's for sure.

How they spent five months concluding is a mystery equivalent to Bigfoot and the Bermuda Triangle.

The evidence they made their decison from was caught on video. There's no disputing what Bentancour said. So why this ridiculous delay? If the FA were serious about clamping down on racism, they would've taken action well before the start of the season, IMO.

 

[Bullet]

Wow there are some strange takes on the last couple of pages.
The ban has to be 6-12 games.
They didn't want to choose 6 because that is the most lenient, so they went one more.
That is pretty lenient, given the options.

There is confusion about whether this was in South America or in Bentancur's house in London. This article says it was the latter. It says the interview was the day after the Nottingham Forest game in April.

Full reasons behind Rodrigo Bentancur's ban and his explanation of Son comments

The Tottenham Hotspur midfielder will be out until late next month following a big ban following his FA charge and subsequent verdict

www.football.london

Hence it being under the FA jurisdiction. All rather confusing.

Bentancur maintains that the interviewer mentioned "The Korean" so Bentancur was sarcastically throwing that mild racist slur back AT the interviewer himself, saying "You mean Son, or any Korean since you think they all look the same" i.e. he was mildly rebuking the interviewer.

Who knows.

 

[billyiddo]

Wow there are some strange takes on the last couple of pages.
The ban has to be 6-12 games.
They didn't want to choose 6 because that is the most lenient, so they went one more.
That is pretty lenient, given the options.

There is confusion about whether this was in South America or in Bentancur's house in London. This article says it was the latter. It says the interview was the day after the Nottingham Forest game in April.

Full reasons behind Rodrigo Bentancur's ban and his explanation of Son comments

The Tottenham Hotspur midfielder will be out until late next month following a big ban following his FA charge and subsequent verdict

www.football.london

Hence it being under the FA jurisdiction. All rather confusing.

Bentancur maintains that the interviewer mentioned "The Korean" so Bentancur was sarcastically throwing that mild racist slur back AT the interviewer himself, saying "You mean Son, or any Korean since you think they all look the same" i.e. he was mildly rebuking the interviewer.

Who knows.

I assume the extra game ban is tacked on because he argued his case rather than accepted punishment (which I believe is how it went down?)

 

[Bullet]

I assume the extra game ban is tacked on because he argued his case rather than accepted punishment (which I believe is how it went down?)

I think we (Spurs) still have to decide if we accept it or fight it. But yes, Bent did mildly argue it already.

 

[metalgear]

Crazy suspension. Intent was never to insult and content was non-aggressive.

 

[Muttley]

They certainly make it easy for the conspiracy theorists among us, that's for sure.

How they spent five months concluding is a mystery equivalent to Bigfoot and the Bermuda Triangle.

The evidence they made their decison from was caught on video. There's no disputing what Bentancour said. So why this ridiculous delay? If the FA were serious about clamping down on racism, they would've taken action well before the start of the season, IMO.

Let's just call it how it is. We have 3 international breaks every autumn. Bentancur's news broke on the Monday of the last one of those when he was away on international duty already. Coincidence?

So FIFA don't participate in the ban. UEFA don't either.

Such a double standard.

 

[Mcfee]

We will appeal the length of the ban apparently. Dead right too.

 

[Robbo]

 

[Robbo]

While I agree with the club, it's a bit risky from a PR perspective to appeal a ban for racism. It's probably well thought through, though.

Lets just hope the FA will hear the appeal before Easter.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

While I agree with the club, it's a bit risky from a PR perspective to appeal a ban for racism. It's probably well thought through, though.

Lets just hope the FA will hear the appeal before Easter.

Just appealing the length of it seems fine to me
He got longer because they didnt believe his reasons

 

[Baleforce]

thats fudging embarssing

we're lucky it wasn't more

so much for kicking racism out of football

fudge me

disgraceful

 

[parklane1]

We will appeal the length of the ban apparently. Dead right too.

Good, lets hope some commom sense prevails.

 

[Muttley]

When I read this on the BBC wesbite (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yx7v23pejo), you can see why we've pushed back.

A response to the charge sent by Tottenham on behalf of Bentancur said: "Rodrigo's reply was sarcastic and a gentle rebuke for the journalist calling Sonny 'the Korean'.

"Rodrigo does not believe that all Koreans 'look more or less the same'. The context of the exchange clearly shows Rodrigo is being sarcastic. Rodrigo was challenging the journalist in his description of his club team-mate."

It was also submitted that Bentancur's apology for his comments was "not for what he said, but for the inadequate reporting on the interview which excluded" the presenter's reference to Son as "the Korean".

However, the panel concluded Bentancur's "conduct in using the words he did, in the full context in which they were used, was clearly abusive and insulting, and would amount to misconduct".

There are shades of grey when you look at the other context. When you think one of our most famous and loved fans, Warren Mitchell, fought racism by being a sarcastic racist. He fought misogamy by being an old fashioned sexist. He broke down barriers.

Makes you wonder whether the toxic media have twisted the context of this as it implies one of their own was the racist, and the FA have been completely negligent at looking at the right detail.

 

[spurspinter1]

While I agree with the club, it's a bit risky from a PR perspective to appeal a ban for racism. It's probably well thought through, though.

Lets just hope the FA will hear the appeal before Easter.

From what I've seen of fans of opposing clubs (who would often pile in at any given chance) seem to think this is ridiculous. It's tricky to compare but 4 matches for what John Terry said or whatever it was for Suarez...Is that whataboutery? It seems reasonable to compare incidents and perceived intent. Perhaps driven by the OTT notion that you simply can't say anything these days, perhaps football fans aren't actually the best barometer of what's okay or not in terms of discourse.

I can't claim to have even seen the footage but some are maintaining that it was meant to be a silly statement based on the journalist's question / manner of referring to Son ie "Oh yeaaah they definitely all look the same don't they?"...It gets convoluted but sometimes saying the thing you aren't meant to say as a clear demonstration of why something isn't okay is a good way to go. It's also complicated in terms of where / when a contentious issue takes place, throwing a glass bottle at a crowd of people is surely worse than what was at worst an ignorant joke rather than a mean spirited hate filled remark.

It's interesting on cultural differences, and whilst it does vary from person to person you do wonder how different it is - I was chatting to a Venezuelan student of mine in Spanish after a lesson and he just flat out said he doesn't like yellow people (there's a lot of Hong Kongers where I teach) and I just said "Oh, that's pretty racist" and he kind of shrugged it off. It's just one anecdotal experience so it shouldn't shape my view of a whole continent of course.

Please forgive me waffling about this, it is an intriguing subject, you'd hope everyone wants any kind of hateful discrimination out of the game but who would really label what Bentancur said as that? Apart from Baleforce evidently.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

From what I've seen of fans of opposing clubs (who would often pile in at any given chance) seem to think this is ridiculous. It's tricky to compare but 4 matches for what John Terry said or whatever it was for Suarez...Is that whataboutery? It seems reasonable to compare incidents and perceived intent. Perhaps driven by the OTT notion that you simply can't say anything these days, perhaps football fans aren't actually the best barometer of what's okay or not in terms of discourse.

I can't claim to have even seen the footage but some are maintaining that it was meant to be a silly statement based on the journalist's question / manner of referring to Son ie "Oh yeaaah they definitely all look the same don't they?"...It gets convoluted but sometimes saying the thing you aren't meant to say as a clear demonstration of why something isn't okay is a good way to go. It's also complicated in terms of where / when a contentious issue takes place, throwing a glass bottle at a crowd of people is surely worse than what was at worst an ignorant joke rather than a mean spirited hate filled remark.

It's interesting on cultural differences, and whilst it does vary from person to person you do wonder how different it is - I was chatting to a Venezuelan student of mine in Spanish after a lesson and he just flat out said he doesn't like yellow people (there's a lot of Hong Kongers where I teach) and I just said "Oh, that's pretty racist" and he kind of shrugged it off. It's just one anecdotal experience so it shouldn't shape my view of a whole continent of course.

Please forgive me waffling about this, it is an intriguing subject, you'd hope everyone wants any kind of hateful discrimination out of the game but who would really label what Bentancur said as that? Apart from Baleforce evidently.

Honestly
If you watch the video with the transcript there is no way what he is using as an excuse is true
He meant it in jest but not in the way he has claimed in his defence IMO. His defence being that he was pulling up the interviewer

 

[metalgear]

When I read this on the BBC wesbite (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yx7v23pejo), you can see why we've pushed back.

A response to the charge sent by Tottenham on behalf of Bentancur said: "Rodrigo's reply was sarcastic and a gentle rebuke for the journalist calling Sonny 'the Korean'.

"Rodrigo does not believe that all Koreans 'look more or less the same'. The context of the exchange clearly shows Rodrigo is being sarcastic. Rodrigo was challenging the journalist in his description of his club team-mate."

It was also submitted that Bentancur's apology for his comments was "not for what he said, but for the inadequate reporting on the interview which excluded" the presenter's reference to Son as "the Korean".

However, the panel concluded Bentancur's "conduct in using the words he did, in the full context in which they were used, was clearly abusive and insulting, and would amount to misconduct".

There are shades of grey when you look at the other context. When you think one of our most famous and loved fans, Warren Mitchell, fought racism by being a sarcastic racist. He fought misogamy by being an old fashioned sexist. He broke down barriers.

Makes you wonder whether the toxic media have twisted the context of this as it implies one of their own was the racist, and the FA have been completely negligent at looking at the right detail.

"they look more or less the same" has an element of truth as koreans/japanese/chinese are almost always black haired and mostly keep short hair styles.

as an asian i don't find that insulting if said as a personal observation without an intent to cause hurt. it would reflect more about the ignorance or lack of exposure of the person saying it.

i said the same thing on the first day of primary school for every one of my kids, especially when all the students were in school uniform and had strict short hair.

 

[Mrs Vert]

I don't think we should have appeal. Yes it's harsh and yes it's out of order others get away with it.

End of day, spurs didn't deal with it internally. We didn't ban him for a day for Insulting our club captain. We don't know for sure Son was actually alright with it. Yes he apologized, yes everyone says we draw line and move on.

We can argue logistics all we like. But to me it looks bad to argue a punishment length of racism

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think we should do a plea bargain with the FA.

Specifically they reduce it to 6 games and let him play in the LC tie. This then gives Bentancur the opportunity to make amends to Son by setting him up with his last chance to win silverware in his career. However the deal is, if we lose the game, Bentancur gets an extra game ban (increasing it to 8 in total).

 

[DeanoAustin]

I think the appeal is bonkers to be honest. He's admitted his guilt (which is pretty undeniable regardless of perceived intent). The offence carries a minimum 6 game ban and he got 7. So best case scenario, I'd have thought, is that the ban gets reduced by 1 game. That's not worth the PR damage and the message that this is sending.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think the appeal is bonkers to be honest. He's admitted his guilt (which is pretty undeniable regardless of perceived intent). The offence carries a minimum 6 game ban and he got 7. So best case scenario, I'd have thought, is that the ban gets reduced by 1 game. That's not worth the PR damage and the message that this is sending.

Why is the minimum 6? The Old Farts dont work like that (transparency, consistency or fairness). They just make stuff up as they go along to suit themselves and their paymasters