Rodrigo Bentancur

[harr1984]

PR damage is a pretty meaningless term when it comes to football. The amount of 'incidents' our club have had that have apparently been 'bad for PR' that I can't remember now and have had literally zero impact on the club.

The only thing it does is give a portion of angry men something different to whinge about on teletext, of which they would be doing that about something else if not Spurs anyway....

 

[Gutter Boy]

PR damage is a pretty meaningless term when it comes to football. The amount of 'incidents' our club have had that have apparently been 'bad for PR' that I can't remember now and have had literally zero impact on the club.

The only thing it does is give a portion of angry men something different to whinge about on teletext, of which they would be doing that about something else if not Spurs anyway....

I dont think we ever recovered as a club from Terry Nutkins criticising us on the Really Wild Show in 1990 for Gazza stealing the Emu from London Zoo. We've never been respected since

 

[Baleforce]

I dont think we ever recovered as a club from Terry Nutkins criticising us on the Really Wild Show in 1990 for Gazza stealing the Emu from London Zoo. We've never been respected since

And Les Ferdinand doing over the Blue Peter garden, BBC have had it in for us ever since.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Why is the minimum 6? The Old Farts dont work like that (transparency, consistency or fairness). They just make stuff up as they go along to suit themselves and their paymasters

The minimum ban for the offence he pleaded guilty to is 6 games as I understand it.

From the BBC:

 

[Mikey10]

I think the appeal is bonkers to be honest. He's admitted his guilt (which is pretty undeniable regardless of perceived intent). The offence carries a minimum 6 game ban and he got 7. So best case scenario, I'd have thought, is that the ban gets reduced by 1 game. That's not worth the PR damage and the message that this is sending.

It’s a terrible decision morally, from a team perspective and from a PR perspective. Evidence of poor decision making in the corridors of power imho.

 

[DeanoAustin]

PR damage is a pretty meaningless term when it comes to football. The amount of 'incidents' our club have had that have apparently been 'bad for PR' that I can't remember now and have had literally zero impact on the club.

The only thing it does is give a portion of angry men something different to whinge about on teletext, of which they would be doing that about something else if not Spurs anyway....

Luis Suarez was an incredible footballer. One of the best I've seen in the last 20 years. What do I associate him with? Being a biter and a racist.

Kenny Dalglish was an unbelievable footballer and a very successful manager. What's my last memory of him in the game? Wearing that poxy t-shirt defending a racist.

John Terry - one of the best defenders of the Premier League era. To me he's a scumbag who indulged in a lot of questionable stuff including being a racist.

These things stick. From a moral perspective, what we've done is pretty bankrupt.

From a commercial perspective, I doubt Levy has had more sponsors offering him money since last Monday.

I don't think Bentancur is a card-carrying member of the KKK or anything but he said something stupid and racist. He got away with a relatively light punishment given the offence. For our club to appeal that really spits in the face of any of their anti-racism campaigns IMO.

 

[thfcsteff]

Luis Suarez was an incredible footballer. One of the best I've seen in the last 20 years. What do I associate him with? Being a biter and a racist.

Kenny Dalglish was an unbelievable footballer and a very successful manager. What's my last memory of him in the game? Wearing that poxy t-shirt defending a racist.

John Terry - one of the best defenders of the Premier League era. To me he's a scumbag who indulged in a lot of questionable stuff including being a racist.

These things stick. From a moral perspective, what we've done is pretty bankrupt.

From a commercial perspective, I doubt Levy has had more sponsors offering him money since last Monday.

I don't think Bentancur is a card-carrying member of the KKK or anything but he said something stupid and racist. He got away with a relatively light punishment given the offence. For our club to appeal that really spits in the face of any of their anti-racism campaigns IMO.

Optically it is a silly thing to do, I agree.

As I posted a while back, the entire process behind this does not feel like it is designed to educate and promote anti-racism more than achieve 'optical approval.' Why did they not use this as an opportunity to provide an EXAMPLE by having Bentancur spaeking with Kick-It-Out and bringing people on the journey of how hurtful even casual racism can be. To your point, Bentancur is not John Terry, but the 'one size generally fits all' approach to punishment versus censure+education will somewhat place him there.
An opportunity missed IMO, but again, yes, the club should've been smarter overall here.

 

[thfcsteff]

I don't think we should have appeal. Yes it's harsh and yes it's out of order others get away with it.

End of day, spurs didn't deal with it internally. We didn't ban him for a day for Insulting our club captain. We don't know for sure Son was actually alright with it. Yes he apologized, yes everyone says we draw line and move on.

We can argue logistics all we like. But to me it looks bad to argue a punishment length of racism

I think this is bang on. If the league aren't interested in education, we should've acted proactivelty and arranged something in conjunction with Kick it Out. I genuinely believe he made a stupid stupid comment and is not a racist.

 

[Muttley]

What people also haven't realised yet is that Bentancur is on 4 yellows. So he would have inevitably missed one of those 7 games anyway. He now need to be careful that he doesn't come back in the side in December, pick up a yellow and make it 8 games.

 

[SteveAWOL]

What people also haven't realised yet is that Bentancur is on 4 yellows. So he would have inevitably missed one of those 7 games anyway. He now need to be careful that he doesn't come back in the side in December, pick up a yellow and make it 8 games.

Wolves is our 19th game after which there’s no longer an automatic ban for totting up 5 bookings, it’d be Sod’s Law (or some might say karma) we get Bentancur’s suspension reduced to the minimum 6 matches then he returns at Forest on Boxing Day where he gets a 5th yellow.

 

[harr1984]

Luis Suarez was an incredible footballer. One of the best I've seen in the last 20 years. What do I associate him with? Being a biter and a racist.

Kenny Dalglish was an unbelievable footballer and a very successful manager. What's my last memory of him in the game? Wearing that poxy t-shirt defending a racist.

John Terry - one of the best defenders of the Premier League era. To me he's a scumbag who indulged in a lot of questionable stuff including being a racist.

These things stick. From a moral perspective, what we've done is pretty bankrupt.

From a commercial perspective, I doubt Levy has had more sponsors offering him money since last Monday.

I don't think Bentancur is a card-carrying member of the KKK or anything but he said something stupid and racist. He got away with a relatively light punishment given the offence. For our club to appeal that really spits in the face of any of their anti-racism campaigns IMO.

That's just individuals who have done more than one bad thing you referred to 'PR damage' this will cause by appealing - I'm talking about an isolated incident, it's not going to change anything for either the club or Bentancur with this appeal. If anyone going forward chooses to associate Bentancur as a racist going forward, it will be due to the original act and nothing to do with us appealing the severity of the ban....

 

[Muttley]

That's just individuals who have done more than one bad thing you referred to 'PR damage' this will cause by appealing - I'm talking about an isolated incident, it's not going to change anything for either the club or Bentancur with this appeal. If anyone going forward chooses to associate Bentancur as a racist going forward, it will be due to the original act and nothing to do with us appealing the severity of the ban....

Yes and no for me.

Not for Spurs, but the optics that we've shone on the FA means they will be under incredible scrutiny for their double standard in all future decisions on these types of items.

When Arsenal and Liverpool made their public statements of no-confidence in PGMOL it helped English football enormously. Same as when every football manager and player made strong comments against that arrogant organisation through their really poor performance over a number of years. Eventually Mike Riley had to start making public apologies for his team's performance and fell on his sword. Even now, his successor Howard Webb hasn't recovered the reputation of PGMOL and they are under huge scrutiny every week.

Like the FA, PGMOL thought they were above criticism and didn't need to change. I hope every club never stops pushing back where they feel there has been an injustice. After all they are the real football stakeholder, not a program governance office that only exists to support their activity. Otherwise, we allow monsters to be created like FIFA and UEFA. They are out of control at this stage.

 

[Gutter Boy]

The FA are majorly incompetent and minorly corrupt (compared to UEFA and FIFA anyway), so need countering at every opportunity.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I think the appeal is bonkers to be honest. He's admitted his guilt (which is pretty undeniable regardless of perceived intent). The offence carries a minimum 6 game ban and he got 7. So best case scenario, I'd have thought, is that the ban gets reduced by 1 game. That's not worth the PR damage and the message that this is sending.

Liverpool's very public support of Suarez didn't seem to damage them.

 

[Baleforce]

I think this is bang on. If the league aren't interested in education, we should've acted proactivelty and arranged something in conjunction with Kick it Out. I genuinely believe he made a stupid stupid comment and is not a racist.

I don’t think you make comments like that without having an underlying racism.

A lot of people are racist unknowingly, but that’s still no excuse.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Liverpool's very public support of Suarez didn't seem to damage them.

I still remember it. So do most football fans. If we still remember it, more than a decade later, so do others. I can even recall Fergie at the time publicly saying that Liverpool's name had been dragged through the mud by their carry on. And he was dead right.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Optically it is a silly thing to do, I agree.

As I posted a while back, the entire process behind this does not feel like it is designed to educate and promote anti-racism more than achieve 'optical approval.' Why did they not use this as an opportunity to provide an EXAMPLE by having Bentancur spaeking with Kick-It-Out and bringing people on the journey of how hurtful even casual racism can be. To your point, Bentancur is not John Terry, but the 'one size generally fits all' approach to punishment versus censure+education will somewhat place him there.
An opportunity missed IMO, but again, yes, the club should've been smarter overall here.

It's a fair point Steff. But is it the FA's job to educate Bentancur or the club's job as he's their employee? If the club had been clever here they'd have accepted the punishment rather than appealing which, I assume based on the rules, will mean at best a one game reduction and sent Bentancur to do some of the things you outline above.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Luis Suarez was an incredible footballer. One of the best I've seen in the last 20 years. What do I associate him with? Being a biter and a racist.

Kenny Dalglish was an unbelievable footballer and a very successful manager. What's my last memory of him in the game? Wearing that poxy t-shirt defending a racist.

John Terry - one of the best defenders of the Premier League era. To me he's a scumbag who indulged in a lot of questionable stuff including being a racist.

These things stick. From a moral perspective, what we've done is pretty bankrupt.

From a commercial perspective, I doubt Levy has had more sponsors offering him money since last Monday.

I don't think Bentancur is a card-carrying member of the KKK or anything but he said something stupid and racist. He got away with a relatively light punishment given the offence. For our club to appeal that really spits in the face of any of their anti-racism campaigns IMO.

Unless you support those clubs most people who comment on social media have forgotten their actions or never heard of them. Possibly our fans who moan about the length of ban are only looking at how the ban will effect the teams performance. There must be sanctions against racism but equally they should be clear to all and offenders helped to change their future actions, many players come from countries and cultures that are out of step with what is acceptable in Britain.

 

[harr1984]

I still remember it. So do most football fans. If we still remember it, more than a decade later, so do others. I can even recall Fergie at the time publicly saying that Liverpool's name had been dragged through the mud by their carry on. And he was dead right.

Remembering something is very different to it being a PR disaster. That has had no impact on Liverpool as a global brand, maybe on personal sponsorship level for Suarez but not the club.

This appeal is not going to do anything in terms of PR for us, are we going to lose sponsors from it or something? No chance. A debate on whether it was right to appeal is fair enough, but the PR angle I just don't see it.....

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I still remember it. So do most football fans. If we still remember it, more than a decade later, so do others. I can even recall Fergie at the time publicly saying that Liverpool's name had been dragged through the mud by their carry on. And he was dead right.

Most fans of a certain age, my grandson and his mates certainly don't, oh what a surprise old red nose had a dig at Liverpool who would have thought that.