Baleforce
Joe Kinnear
I’ve been thinking the same, where are the leaders in the available squad?
Gallagher is the only name I could come up with too.
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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*
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I’ve been thinking the same, where are the leaders in the available squad?
Gallagher is the only name I could come up with too.
thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
I have to be honest, it worries me a lot (I mean when I allow this club to enter my brain!)
Robertson should be aswell to be fair, but his performances on the pitch have been unconvincing so far....
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
He has had some ok games
Yesterday he was fine but that first goal was a mistake no question
He passes the ball imo better than anyone other than Fernandes
Scary that these are all new players
Mikey10
Ian Walker
He appointed Micky as the captain, which was a big mistake imo. The bloke was by his own admission a nervous wreck for most of the relegation fight, and he’s never been vocal on the pitch. A really odd choice.
The two we did have who showed real character and fight in the last couple of months - Pahlinha and Danso - were got rid of, both of which were strange decisions for me.
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the people pumping 400mil in are incompetent Cùnts
Robspur12
Paul Robinson
I still am scratching my head at that signing.
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
I dont mind it
Experience and depth now on the side of the pitch we have struggled with
The one I’ve never got was JPVH… bad defensively, great with the ball
Vuskovic kinda fitted that ball but with possible better defensive nous and exceptional aerial ability
Cost us Danso too, although Tosin was good mid week
Robspur12
Paul Robinson
IMHO Robertson was not needed and has not added the leadership we needed unlike Palhinha last season. We were well covered on that side and it meant Souza went out on loan. Regarding JPVH I agree. He’s a ball playing defender which is great but not at the expense of defending your own box. That what Danso was so good at. Getting rid of Danso (and vuskovic) are the biggest mistakes of the summer alongside not signing a number 9.
Not having a go, but the whole leadership/mentality thing feels a bit contrived, it feels like a go to answer when nobody knows what the fudge is really going on.
Gallagher, Porro, Bentancur, Maddison aren't players I'd accuse of not being up for the fight
Bergvall & Gray also, young, inexperienced but will run themselves into the ground
Robertson is about as proven as they get
Tel & Kinsky have shown an ability to push through horrible adversity
I don't see this huge group of passive/not caring players, didn't see it under any of the previous managers either. Are they as heart on the sleeve as say Palhinha, Son, maybe even Romero (when he was up for it)? maybe not, but don't think it's a leader thing.
What I do see is players who give their all (most days) and it isn't working, the results aren't happening, and their belief has to be shaken, the sheer number of losses at home has to get to you, it gets to the fans.
And RDZ is trying to play complicated stuff, said it before, really worried this is the wrong era of PL for that. And if he doesn't get wins soon (and a few of them), no amount of leadership is going to stop the spiral.
thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
OK, that's your opinion. I am simply going on what I'm seeing which is confidence sinking away as minutes in each game have gone on, and other than a couple of players here and there, no fire to resurrect/reinvigorate.
It's not about 'not being up for a fight' it's about leading. Madders, bless him, is seeking fitness. Gallagher and Porro I named but neither have been regulars. Bentancur is absolutely up for it. That's it.
I've explained Bergvall. Gray has bags of effort. I am not talking about effort or endeavor.
Tel has loads of fight and Kinsky is absolutely developing into a leader.
Where did I say that?
You have conflated the leadership/mentality thing with the 'not caring'. I did not say that at all.
Your opinion.
Of course, we look to be talking about two different things here.
I agree.
Again, I am not sure if we are talking about 'characters' and 'leadership' here.
I do not doubt the effort and will of these players at all.
I never did.
When everyone bashed them during the Ange era I said the same.
I was pretty clear in what I meant and I stand by it. We will need more than Gallagher. Porro is certainly one of those 'energies', as is Bergvall to be fair (Brentford away not withstanding).
I'll say it again because frankly it tinkled me off...nowhere did I say anything about them 'not caring'.
Read what I said again without misdiagnosing my opinion with your contextual take of it.
If you disagree, fantastic and onwards.
Take it easy mate, it's perspetive, and clearly I didn't explain my clearly enough.
When I hear leaders/mentality, I feel we are misdiagnosing, and placing our bets on something that won't solve the problem. Pick the best leader you can think of football wise, put them in this team (replacing a player of equal talent, so you are not rasing the skill level), I don't think said leader changes the results.
The reason our results were brick under Ange and Frank in the PL was tactics, and RDZ seems to be the same, his tempo is off, he plays the wrong person in the 10, doesn't adapt the style to accommodate said 10, tries to play Bentancur/Tonali and Fernandes in midfield, plays Solanke, list goes on.
Basically we come out the blocks at an unsustainable pace, the opposition does a "rope a dope" and rides it out, hits us on a counter and then gets to sit even deeper and play same tactic for another 60 minutes. Not sure how leadership changes that, or even a better striker (sure, we might have won a game because we have slightly better finishing, but the system as it is, seems too slow and open)
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
The plan to go more football focussed is great buts it been built on sand defensively
I made my thought on JPVH on day 1
The fact it means we lost played who I rated too, doesn’t really help me, but it’s not my opinion that matters
I don’t think it’s easy to see what leadership is and isn’t happening on the pitch at the moment. Always feels to me like we’re a very quiet side
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
The only issue with Robbo is he gets caught on the front foot, ala the Brentford goal. Wingers seem to get in behind him fairly easily now
afsoc4life
Steve Carr
I am very worried about the present squad. I am worried about how we got from a squad of hope to the present squad of dismay. I feel we have spent money in a wasteful manner mostly on players who couldn't hack it at their previous club and sold players we should not have sold.
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
Its looking like a really bad squad build. I get not all is solved in one summer but I maintain that people judged the success of the summer on what was spent, not what was actually done. I think many are also just nodding their heads in agreement with everything, just because
clownfoot
Didier Zokora
Few days after the result so I’d say I’m a bit calmer now. I’m still annoyed but it’s not like last season. We’re creating chances but can see players confidence wain after half and hour if we’ve not scored and that’s linked to my worry about De Zerbi - if we don’t score first I can’t see us winning and not just because we’ve only scored twice this season. His system is built upon the idea we score first, opponents have to be more front footed and that leaves space, we exploit the space. If someone scores and is happy to sit deep there’s no plan. We’re back to the horseshoe.
I don’t think he’s out his depth like some have said, but I’m slightly worried about the Coventry game coming up. They will sit back and be happy with a point, even try nicking 3 late on. Will be a long night with the crowd demanding more. We lose that and we’re two or three more bad results from Poch’s name being sung.
As I’ve said before, there’s no Levy to blame now. It falls on the manager
I don’t think he’s out his depth like some have said, but I’m slightly worried about the Coventry game coming up. They will sit back and be happy with a point, even try nicking 3 late on. Will be a long night with the crowd demanding more. We lose that and we’re two or three more bad results from Poch’s name being sung.
As I’ve said before, there’s no Levy to blame now. It falls on the manager
DeanoAustin
Jack Jull
Fair enough mate, that's an interpretation I would probably subscribe to at least partly in normal circumstances.
I'm willing to see where de Zerbi goes with this. He's going down this route early - it doesn't feel like an "end of days so I'm throwing everyone under the bus" scenario like you had with Conte. De Zerbi seems to have a reputation, amongst some of the most experienced and sharpest minds in the game, as being a special coach beyond what his CV would suggest. To have that reputation, you have to be different to other coaches - you can't just do what everyone else does. I'm intrigued to see how this plays out and am willing to give him a free pass until at least November.
We hit November with 2 points or at the bottom of the table though and it'll become very difficult.
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
Its also something that does not need to be said IMO, we all know it as fans but like you say its up to the manager and club to fix. Its also a tactic (speaking out in public) that has not worked for the likes of Conte and Jose, its likely not going to work doing so under RDZ.