Richarlison

[spurspinter1]

why do you get upset with my personal views?

you are going to bet that we can get to top 5 with richarlison in front of goal?

can you accept that while he is our top scorer, he can be upgraded and the team can do better?

or are you the one in love with his face or haircut

Of course I'm in love with his face and haircut, I'm only human.

A bunch of nonsense lazy questions posed, of course he can be upgraded, unless you're the absolute best player in the world in a position, there's undoubtedly someone better out there. That doesn't devalue what he's doing now for the team, even if the team is collectively looking quite bad.

I couldn't really give a fudge if we finish top 5 or not, I support the team regardless. And we're into intestate hypothesis land in terms of whether he'd make the squads of other teams that finish in the top 5 (as if that's now the arbitrary measurement of success).

As for being upset with your views, you're entitled to make yourself look an idiot, that's the glory of free speech. It's the timing rather than how tedious your opinion is tbf. Pick your moments, Richy was good yesterday and has been performing well this season. A brick start to his career with us no doubt, and whilst the team has been in decline for a while, he isn't the DOF or CEO.

Who should we have signed at the team instead of him? At least that's an interesting question. Apparently we need / deserve someone who can win every ball in the air whilst simultaneously being pacy, finish every chance and knit play together, who's the obvious target we missed out on?

I don't see us selling in January but he's absolutely one of those that'd end up leaving and winning a title in Italy or somewhere, decent strikers are hard to come by.

What's the weather like? I'd like to take a week away. Malta is about as far as I like to fly.

16/17, it's warm enough if the sun's out and apparently the UK is actually cold now so we timed it well. I was due a holiday as I've working hard for a change!

 

[thfcsteff]

Probably because we just don’t have the squad to justify that kind of adjustment. When he’s played up front with Muani it’s looked decent, sure — but then we completely lose any natural play down the left-hand side. It ends up being a net negative over the full 90 minutes.

Any time you reshape a system just to mask the weaknesses of a lower-quality player, you’re basically stealing from Peter to pay Paul. You fix one issue and create two new ones elsewhere. At that point the overall structure suffers more than it benefits.

Well we can play Odobert on the left and Muani in the middle if that's the case. That, BTW, wouldn't be 'Peter-Paul' and in fact it would be less so than playing Muani on the left and leaving Odobert on the bench (remember, I still think Odobert needs work but he is more natural there than Muani). But IF he wanted to, Frank could absolutely play Muani and Richy as a pair AND still use Odobert on the left. He doesn't want to because it is too 'risky' for what he is doing.

We haven't had natural balance on the left for most of the season BTW, this despite a full pre-season and everyone seeing that we needed better options up and down that side.

Given that I am not sure whether I need to state the obvious in every post now, let me be clear that while Spence is a fine player, he is right-footed on the left and as such leaves us imbalanced. This not news to any of us AND it is not a critique of the player. Again, not news.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Of course I'm in love with his face and haircut, I'm only human.

A bunch of nonsense lazy questions posed, of course he can be upgraded, unless you're the absolute best player in the world in a position, there's undoubtedly someone better out there. That doesn't devalue what he's doing now for the team, even if the team is collectively looking quite bad.

I couldn't really give a fudge if we finish top 5 or not, I support the team regardless. And we're into intestate hypothesis land in terms of whether he'd make the squads of other teams that finish in the top 5 (as if that's now the arbitrary measurement of success).

As for being upset with your views, you're entitled to make yourself look an idiot, that's the glory of free speech. It's the timing rather than how tedious your opinion is tbf. Pick your moments, Richy was good yesterday and has been performing well this season. A brick start to his career with us no doubt, and whilst the team has been in decline for a while, he isn't the DOF or CEO.

Who should we have signed at the team instead of him? At least that's an interesting question. Apparently we need / deserve someone who can win every ball in the air whilst simultaneously being pacy, finish every chance and knit play together, who's the obvious target we missed out on?

I don't see us selling in January but he's absolutely one of those that'd end up leaving and winning a title in Italy or somewhere, decent strikers are hard to come by.



16/17, it's warm enough if the sun's out and apparently the UK is actually cold now so we timed it well. I was due a holiday as I've working hard for a change!

Did you drive while there, I've never met anyone who did due to parking and little winding roads, scares the life out of my missus.

 

[glasgowspur]

Does this explain selling Brennan Johnson, a player who knows how to put the ball into the back of net, as opposed to being able to find a way to use him?
I don't mind a manager making choices, that will happen, but to suggest it is based on some perceived 'lack of ability' when it is absolutely down to that manager's choice of style when it comes to football, is wrong IMO.

I thought Frank wanted him at Brentford before we signed him, this makes no sense to me.

 

[thfcsteff]

I thought Frank wanted him at Brentford before we signed him, this makes no sense to me.

It is odd. I am waiting to see what lies behind it...

 

[Bishop]

Does this explain selling Brennan Johnson, a player who knows how to put the ball into the back of net, as opposed to being able to find a way to use him?
I don't mind a manager making choices, that will happen, but to suggest it is based on some perceived 'lack of ability' when it is absolutely down to that manager's choice of style when it comes to football, is wrong IMO.

I don't see selling Johnson as a matter of choice. He is a poor player who scores in one very specific scenario, a scenario we are not particularly good at creating especially under Frank but not even under Ange. So we can disagree, it's not a case of taste or style, it's absolutely a matter of ability or in Johnson's case a lack of it.

I'm not going to bore you with all of the same reparative critiques of Johnson's game but I don't believe beyond Ange any of our coaches (maybe and I say maybe Jose) and definitely not Poch would entertain keeping Johnson

 

[glasgowspur]

It is odd. I am waiting to see what lies behind it...

Only thing I can think of is lack of minutes for his WC game, but it doesn't appear to be him forcing the move.

 

[Bishop]

I thought Frank wanted him at Brentford before we signed him, this makes no sense to me.

The Brentford recruitment system identifying Johnson as a potential option for them is different to Frank actually having him at his disposal here at Spurs and evaluating his lack of suitability.

 

[Bishop]

It is odd. I am waiting to see what lies behind it...

People put to much weight behind a one time interest in a player especially at a club in very different circumstances and think that, that interest holds beyond that specific window and at a different club with new expectations and requirements.

Brentford are a team happy to flip players for profit, he might have been someone they saw a potential to do that with.

 

[braineclipse]

This, get the ball to Richi in the box, he thrives on chaos, does his best work there.

Don't bang the ball to him 30 yards out with his back to goal under pressure from defenders (not his game).

He could be a good #2 with the ability to rotate with LW.

Can he be upgraded? yes, all but the top 10 players in the world can.

He imo is a #2 behind Solanke. Kolo Muani is also in that mix of course and Solanke missing the entire season so far makes it more difficult to evaluate under this manager. But Solanke was our first choice when fit and I think he will be again when fit again.

And yes, for a #2 striker he's pretty good. Best backup striker we've had since... I can't quite remember. Better would be better, but some way from our a big priority at the moment.

Also fully agreed that we need to play to his strengths.

A different question though is do we need a striker we can bang the ball to from 30+ yards under pressure from defenders and do well. If we do I'm not sure any of our strikers fit that mould. If Frank needs that striker we need to make some decisions on keeping and bringing in.

 

[Raziel]

He imo is a #2 behind Solanke. Kolo Muani is also in that mix of course and Solanke missing the entire season so far makes it more difficult to evaluate under this manager. But Solanke was our first choice when fit and I think he will be again when fit again.

And yes, for a #2 striker he's pretty good. Best backup striker we've had since... I can't quite remember. Better would be better, but some way from our a big priority at the moment.

Also fully agreed that we need to play to his strengths.

A different question though is do we need a striker we can bang the ball to from 30+ yards under pressure from defenders and do well. If we do I'm not sure any of our strikers fit that mould. If Frank needs that striker we need to make some decisions on keeping and bringing in.

I think we need to have a midfielder that can score outside the box (Eriksen style), especially as sides seem to be leaving that space open for shots.

Xavi has a little bit of that in his locker, so does Deki, would good if any incoming have that skillset.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I think we need to have a midfielder that can score outside the box (Eriksen style), especially as sides seem to be leaving that space open for shots.

Xavi has a little bit of that in his locker, so does Deki, would good if any incoming have that skillset.

We're not allowed to shoot outside the box.

 

[metalgear]

Not sure how much of it is on Richarlison, from what I've seen, other than some long balls from the keeper and pumping into the opposition's box any free kick from around the halfway line, Frank's tactics see us avoiding the middle of the pitch when progressing the ball forwards, instead having us play in a horse shoe kind of shape around the defence and up the sides.

it goes horseshoe because richy can't hold the ball and play the ball off him to others enough to be repeatable. i imagine if richy starts laying it off to bentancur and simons - eventually they'd learn to overlap. right now they are both expecting to defend the counter.

regarding kane - he has the smarts to drop back to be an auxillary deep lying playmaker very effectively - richy could but doesn't try any of the sort.

 

[metalgear]

Of course I'm in love with his face and haircut, I'm only human.

A bunch of nonsense lazy questions posed, of course he can be upgraded, unless you're the absolute best player in the world in a position, there's undoubtedly someone better out there. That doesn't devalue what he's doing now for the team, even if the team is collectively looking quite bad.

I couldn't really give a fudge if we finish top 5 or not, I support the team regardless. And we're into intestate hypothesis land in terms of whether he'd make the squads of other teams that finish in the top 5 (as if that's now the arbitrary measurement of success).

As for being upset with your views, you're entitled to make yourself look an idiot, that's the glory of free speech. It's the timing rather than how tedious your opinion is tbf. Pick your moments, Richy was good yesterday and has been performing well this season. A brick start to his career with us no doubt, and whilst the team has been in decline for a while, he isn't the DOF or CEO.

Who should we have signed at the team instead of him? At least that's an interesting question. Apparently we need / deserve someone who can win every ball in the air whilst simultaneously being pacy, finish every chance and knit play together, who's the obvious target we missed out on?

I don't see us selling in January but he's absolutely one of those that'd end up leaving and winning a title in Italy or somewhere, decent strikers are hard to come by.



16/17, it's warm enough if the sun's out and apparently the UK is actually cold now so we timed it well. I was due a holiday as I've working hard for a change!

will be interesting to see how you defend richy when a better striker comes along - could be a fit solanke and i can't wait
selling richy now while he is scoring will give us a chance to recoup some necessary investment to fund another. we have done good deals in january despite what levy says (he's horrible at the footballing stuff and was sacked for it) so yeah, i believe a quick fix is possible (and necessary)
anyway i am treat football as entertainment - not life and death - so don't lose your health on account of me.

 

[Raziel]

will be interesting to see how you defend richy when a better striker comes along - could be a fit solanke and i can't wait
selling richy now while he is scoring will give us a chance to recoup some necessary investment to fund another. we have done good deals in january despite what levy says (he's horrible at the footballing stuff and was sacked for it) so yeah, i believe a quick fix is possible (and necessary)
anyway i am treat football as entertainment - not life and death - so don't lose your health on account of me.

Selling Richi and Johnson together in January would be the definition of madness regardless of if Solanke is back or we have an incoming CF. Our next best scorer is VDV.

We will get the same money for Richi in summer from Everton, they are interested, they desperately need a goalscorer and importantly, they have enough that they will survive.

 

[metalgear]

richy has 7 goals for us and we have scored 27
yeah i know its risky but i'd take my chances with a proven striker who is strong and mobile from a top 5 league who would cost a lot

Selling Richi and Johnson together in January would be the definition of madness regardless of if Solanke is back or we have an incoming CF. Our next best scorer is VDV.

We will get the same money for Richi in summer from Everton, they are interested, they desperately need a goalscorer and importantly, they have enough that they will survive.

 

[Raziel]

richy has 7 goals for us and we have scored 27
yeah i know its risky but i'd take my chances with a proven striker who is strong and mobile from a top 5 league who would cost a lot

Lots of ifs

- If we know Solanke is over his injury
- If we know Deki is also close
- If the sale of Richi is the difference between us getting a 60M striker and a 80M+ (potential real 20+ goals a season striker)
- If they can be done without some period of time in-between (not weeks of neither available)

 

[spurspinter1]

will be interesting to see how you defend richy when a better striker comes along - could be a fit solanke and i can't wait
selling richy now while he is scoring will give us a chance to recoup some necessary investment to fund another. we have done good deals in january despite what levy says (he's horrible at the footballing stuff and was sacked for it) so yeah, i believe a quick fix is possible (and necessary)
anyway i am treat football as entertainment - not life and death - so don't lose your health on account of me.

I'd call it supporting Richy, rather than defending him, and it doesn't affect my health to critique lazy arguments not based on the current reality. Whine away all you like, it's funny to think it upsets fellow yids when certain players do well. I'm sure it's a fairly tiresome and done debate but you do love some odd takes that nobody agrees with, but difference of opinions makes it interesting I guess. Happy new year to you all the same!

I also hope Solanke will be fit and firing soon, Richy on the left seems to provide fair enough end product and means we're pressing very well across the front line. It'll be good to have options, and mad to sell the options that are actually doing well.