Richarlison

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

He's a player I'm always hoping could just relax, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and gives his all. It appears to me he can't control his emotions which is a shame as I think he would be a more consistent player if he were more composed.

 

[braineclipse]

14 goals in his last 19 starts, can he stay fit, that's always the question.

Those are good numbers man.

Obviously there are several better strikers around, but as one of three options for the striker role (along with Solanke and Kolo Muani) he's definitely a good player to have.

Hopefully those other two get back and match fit so we can manage minutes all around and prevent some injuries.

 

[Bishop]

Okay, you should send your notes to Frank! Frankly (waaaaayyyyy) I'm not interested, feedback from people desperately seeking faults isn't worth much in the grand scheme of it. Keep crying whenever Johnson and Richy get goals, we kind of need them for points unless we're hoping to draw 0-0, that's kind of capping our upper limit but if you're cool for settling, that's fine.

I want players who do better than the two you mentioned. You don't? You want mediocrity?

 

[JerusalemMan]

I want players who do better than the two you mentioned. You don't? You want mediocrity?

I'd like them to do even better. Rather than incessantly do them down and denigrate them. Of course, there's occasional frustration but under this lastest new regime, there should be hope for development and change.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Still prefer Ricky to Solanke at the moment. 9 games out of 10 he gives his absolute all and whilst his pressing isn’t as good think he causes more problems for the defence.

Hoping Dom has another level up once he’s fully fit, but ultimately it will be good for them both to battle it out and fingers crossed reduced the chance of injury with more rest games available.

My hunch is Dom will be back for a bit but will end up needing surgery on his ankle issue.

Luckily we have Muani as an option.

 

[Bishop]

I'd like them to do even better. Rather than incessantly do them down and denigrate them. Of course, there's occasional frustration but under this lastest new regime, there should be hope for development and change.

I don't live in fantasy land. I call it as it is. If they play well they will get the plaudits, if they have an upturn in ability they will get all the praise but I'm not going to lie to myself or lower the standards of what I expect.

 

[RunTMC]

I want players who do better than the two you mentioned. You don't? You want mediocrity?

I’m not sure what your complaint is. Since we bought Richarlison we’ve brought in 2 other strikers better than him haven’t we?

 

[metalgear]

Yeah, where does hard work get you? It's not like Richy managed to win a trophy with us or - Ooohhh hang on nevermind.

Did you like his goal yesterday?

Yes but with a better striker we would have won the game.

I like goals, but I much prefer winning.

 

[Baleforce]

Yes but with a better striker we would have won the game.

I like goals, but I much prefer winning.

If you score twice and don’t win it’s not the forward lines fault.

 

[Lemonade Money]

If you score twice and don’t win it’s not the forward lines fault.

What if the defence assisted/scored both goals, but the forwards failed to protect the defence? Score as a team, defend as a team.

 

[parklane1]

5 appearances (1 as sub) in the Prem this season.
3 goals.
1 assist.

Let's say he plays 25 league games at this pace.
That would be 15 goals and 5 assists.
Not at all shabby.

I thought his hold up play was much improved on Saturday. He progressed attacks 2 or 3 times in the first half which is way above average for him. Given he also scored, I think it is hard to say he had a bad game.

My thoughts as well, sadly haters have to hate and Richy has a few of them on his back no matter how or what he does during games. Sad really.

 

[braineclipse]

I want players who do better than the two you mentioned. You don't? You want mediocrity?

Quite a few of your posts seem to boil down to "we should buy excellent players that would be better than having players that aren't excellent".

 

[Mabspurs]

My thoughts as well, sadly haters have to hate and Richy has a few of them on his back no matter how or what he does during games. Sad really.

I love the guy so definitely not a hater.... thing is, for whatever reason, he simply does not convince me. Cannot put a finger on it

I am rooting for him to have a fantastic year and hit 15 - 20 goals but somehow cannot see it happening...

 

[spurspinter1]

I want players who do better than the two you mentioned. You don't? You want mediocrity?

Again it's just lazy discourse. Better fans would be a start!

As stated, 14 goals in 19 starts isn't bad, hardly mediocre but free speech is the right to make an arse of yourself by demonstrating your lack of understanding of the words you employ. You made your mind up a long time ago, we get it.

 

[Bishop]

Again it's just lazy discourse. Better fans would be a start!

As stated, 14 goals in 19 starts isn't bad, hardly mediocre but free speech is the right to make an arse of yourself by demonstrating your lack of understanding of the words you employ. You made your mind up a long time ago, we get it.

I know exactly the meaning of the word maybe you don't? Average which is what he is and using selective stats isn't going to change that.

I've watched Richy for almost 10 years at this point my opinion on him is well founded on well over a hundred games.

Lazy discourse is just dismissing the critique without being able to counter with arguments that actually hold your point up. Attacking me isn't going to make Richy a better player or give your argument any grounding. As you said free speech is free so feel free to actually use yours to explain how Richy is not the player I describe him as.

 

[thfcsteff]

My thoughts as well, sadly haters have to hate and Richy has a few of them on his back no matter how or what he does during games. Sad really.

There is often talk about the 'pressure' of stepping into the shoes of others. Richy (and Solanke to that extent) are both stepping into Harry Kane sized boots. Which are impossible to fill. So yeah, I think folks have to start using different measurements...

 

[Bishop]

Quite a few of your posts seem to boil down to "we should buy excellent players that would be better than having players that aren't excellent".

It's because when I critique these players the standard response is just one of settling and making do which I find amusing. If we went with that attitude all around we'd never improve on anyone because every player in squad gets backed up by a group of fans somewhere. You'd think our squad was perfect and winning every game 5-0 the way none of our players are below the standard required. Go into any thread on this forum and there will be someone in there making excuses and bigging them up their abilities.

And saying I'm saying get excellent players is disingenuous because I explain the failings of any player I critique.

It just seems to me that a lot of people rate players on whether they play for spurs or not. I rate players on whether they are good players first, the team they play for is irrelevant.

Make it make sense.

 

[thfcsteff]

I support Tottenham not any player. No I don't have him bang to rights, but it seems like you're excusing all the poor play because he scored. I have a more balanced look at things. A player scoring does not automatically mean they've had a good game. A player not scoring doesn't mean they've had a poor game. On the balance Richy was poor on Saturday, yes he scored but he also gave the ball away easily multiple times, he also had little to no impact on the general attacking play, no key passes, no linking up and poor shots in gerneral when he took them. A goal might absolve all of that for you, but sorry for me it does not.

I want a complete performance and if he isn't capable of providing that I will always point it out. You might want to settle for mediocrity cool, do you but I don't.

I think you're guilty of looking at his performance with blinkers. You obviously don't especially care for the player or his style. He can look untidy and almost crude sometimes, however he was actually very effective with regards to hold-up play (other than when getting kneed in the back) and was a persistent menace. He also did his primary job by scoring. We'd all like a Harry Kane, but we don't have one. Your comment about 'settling for mediocrity' is both aggressive and puzzling. Who's 'settling for anything'? There's a discussion about one player's performance on Saturday, which most agree was fairly effective (backed by stats too). If you want to start discussing 'mediocrity' in the squad, it'd be important to know what the measure; a definition would be a good place to start here. Is Richy 'mediocre' when compared to Harry Kane? Yes. As is everyone. Is he 'mediocre' when compared to Gyorkes? Currently you'd have to say absolutely not...so what's your measure?!!!!

 

[Bishop]

I think you're guilty of looking at his performance with blinkers. You obviously don't especially care for the player or his style. He can look untidy and almost crude sometimes, however he was actually very effective with regards to hold-up play (other than when getting kneed in the back) and was a persistent menace. He also did his primary job by scoring. We'd all like a Harry Kane, but we don't have one. Your comment about 'settling for mediocrity' is both aggressive and puzzling. Who's 'settling for anything'? There's a discussion about one player's performance on Saturday, which most agree was fairly effective (backed by stats too). If you want to start discussing 'mediocrity' in the squad, it'd be important to know what the measure; a definition would be a good place to start here. Is Richy 'mediocre' when compared to Harry Kane? Yes. As is everyone. Is he 'mediocre' when compared to Gyorkes? Currently you'd have to say absolutely not...so what's your measure?!!!!

Harry Kane of course. Why would I compare to a middling player? Do we want ultimate success or not?

I'm comparing every player to flipping Messi. The closer they get to that standard the better they are obviously.

It's not even blinkers, I'm just not swayed by the fairly simplistic notions like "he scored, he must have had a good game!". Instead I'm more interested in how was his general performance? How was his hold up play? Link play? Quality of his passing? Did he move the team forward? Was his overall contribution net positive? What could he have done in specific situations etc? For me he scores poorly in those areas and of course that's a personal bias in terms of what I want to see from a forward but that's my criteria.

I have exacting standards and just because I support Tottenham doesn't mean I or even we should lower them. Lowering them is why we've largely won fudge all for so long because we are always so quick to defend and excuse lower quality rather than demanding better. One day if we ever get a league winning side you we will see that the standards that's I'm forever preaching about are exactly the standards we will have hit to win the league. I await that day.

 

[thfcsteff]

It's because when I critique these players the standard response is just one of settling and making do which I find amusing. If we went with that attitude all around we'd never improve on anyone because every player in squad gets backed up by a group of fans somewhere. You'd think our squad was perfect and winning every game 5-0 the way none of our players are below the standard required. Go into any thread on this forum and there will be someone in there making excuses and bigging them up their abilities.

And saying I'm saying get excellent players is disingenuous because I explain the failings of any player I critique.

It just seems to me that a lot of people rate players on whether they play for spurs or not. I rate players on whether they are good players first, the team they play for is irrelevant.

Make it make sense.

EVERY player has 'failings' it depends what you expect of them measured against what they do, and hown they're being used.

Of course that's a good place to start, but some players are elevated by their teammates and how systems are built. Richarlison is a very good player. His injury record has absolutely impeded his output. He has been deployed as a CF and LW mostly; you could speculate that if he had solely been played as CF, he'd have even more goals.

I am in TOTAL agreement that we should always upgrade when we get the chance. I just am not seeing a striker right now in Richy's price range who is significantly better than him. Interested in who you see that is.

(BTW a very interesting discussion IMO and appreciate you engaging)