Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Harsh. He was playing through pain and was distraught about coming off
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Radu Drăgușin
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Harsh. He was playing through pain and was distraught about coming off
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Did really well defensively. Some excellent involvements.
Lack of ball playing quality really showed though and that hurt us.
Says a lot about how differently Ange rates Romero and Dragusin to put Romero back in even with VdV back.
On this I agree with what I at least perceive Ange's opinion to be.
SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
Good solid RCB but could do with a ball playing LCB to partner him with, hopefully Davies can fulfil that role until next summer then we sign the next Vertonghen who will keep van de Ven and Udogie on their toes.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Do not disagree at all, sadly there are not many as good as Vertonghen about sadly.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Excellent tonight.
Sadly Romero will start again as soon as he's able to move around without using crutches.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Excellent defensively.
Far from it on the ball. I get that Gray is a wonderful talent, and that Dragusin himself is a young player. But having an 18 year old playing out of position taking way more responsibility on the ball than you is not a good look.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
It's almost like Ange really rates ball playing ability in his centre backs really highly. That's not strange given that we play a really ambitious style of football and have no deep play makers in midfield.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Thought he was decent on the ball, with their pressing and an out position 18 year cm beside you as your CB partner I'm not sure I want him being clever with his passing tbh.
More like he really overrates Romero's ball playing ability. I thought we were good at playing out in the early parts of the game yesterday when were moving it quickly. Then things fell apart once we got into the opposition half, but that's another story.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
His passing is fine as long as he's not under real pressure. The odd misplaced pass, but he's fine.
But he struggles when he's under real pressure. Doesn't want the ball in those situations, meaning we often lack an option. Ends up just clearing it under pressure quite a bit. Makes us a lot easier to press successfully.
I agree that he shouldn't be too ambitious. The potential for errors is definitely higher then.
Agreed we were quite alright playing out for periods at least.
There's a negative synergy between lacking ball playing quality deep and having forwards that need specific service to thrive.
When we lack creativity and hold up play in the front line what we do with the ball deep becomes more important.
Romero is our best ball playing CB. Dragusin probably is our worst. Do you disagree?
I don't want to be harsh on him. That's the player he is and he should play to his abilities and not try to be something he's not. But it's a real issue right now with our injuries.
Don't think Dragusin is that bad, but for me it's more about the players providing options for each rather than anyone's passing ability. The other weaknesses in Romero's game is a bigger issue the way we're conceding chances. If we're not going to set up to defend better we'll need some incredible individual performers back there.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Romero gets criticism for slowing us down on the ball. To me he provides exactly what we need (related to what you say), for a player to be comfortable enough on the ball to wait for that movement to happen and find a good option to pass to. Options are harder to find when the initial passing lacks purpose.
A lot of times we've seen him do just that. Keep the ball, be composed, then find a good pass through the lines when the movement and space is there.
It was less of an issue against Rangers, or an issue less of the time, but a lot of our defensive issues this season have stemmed from us failing to deal well with a high press. Failing to get out. Getting counter attacks against us and coming under sustained pressure.
I know Romero was at fault for some goals earlier in the season. But we had one of the better defensive records in the league with him playing. Something was working rather well. Our current problems aren't just that Romero is missing by any stretch. But his ball playing makes us better defensively because we keep possession better and offer more of an attacking threat for opponents with him.
This kind of system needs at least one quality ball playing CB to work well. Or at the very least it needs it when we don't have a deep playmaker type in midfield.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
It's the comparing X player to some mythical perfect player that gets me.
For me, it's about having a player who's consistent - you know what to expect - not how perfect they are.
To my mind, our 'know what to expect' players are (putting aside injury issues for a minute):
Vicario, Forster, Dragusin, Udogie, Romero, Porro, Spence. Davies, van de Ven, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Bentancur, Richarlison, Werner, Solanke, Kulusevski, Odobert.
The 'will they turn up today' players are:
Bissouma, Maddison, Son, Johnson.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
His passing is one of his biggest weaknesses IMO. He’s not good enough to start long term, could have a worse back up I guess.
He’s 22 and played 8 games in the league. He’s already shown what he’s capable of in more familiar surroundings at the Euros.
Good height and good mix of athleticism and physicality.
Worth sticking with imo.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
I was talking specifically about his passing which I maintain is one of his major weaknesses.