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Putin & Russia
- Thread starter Rorschach
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Well he also does not have any power now does he.
Robspur12
Frederic Kanoute
He was still at the Munich security conference shooting his mouth off
Mikey10
Johnny Morrison
Offering selfies with him for £120 a pop, I see, and saying we need to ignore what Trump is saying and back him in ending the war.
C unt.
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
This is what he does. And has done for ages. The hornswoggling of the US public was blatant and repetitive. Now he's bringing it worldwide. As @Robspur12 said, this is a wholly transactional President, and if you cannot prove worth, you are an issue. The other angle is that IF he feels the heat a little too much, he will swoop back in, correct an imbalance he helped cause, and claim HE fixed the problem aka 'saved' who/whatever...
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
i think the situation speaks for itself, and no-one can allow Russia to 'win' or feel they have 'won' this invasion. Zelensky himself is both an interesting and non-linear character. This Harper's profile is an excellent read (obviously much has happened since this article was written). I -like pretty much everybody here- absolutely believe Ukraine cannot be abandoned, and it must also be said Zelensky has had his complications. In many ways, he was actually just another in the trend of non-political elected candidates who pledged vague mandates without perhaps fully embracing the complications of either realising, or properly executing, them. The whole situation is sad. I feel Zelensky really intended great actions, but entered the building on the wrong floor with regards to understanding how to get things done. And we all know who took advantage of that :-(...anyway, interested in feedback to this profile if anyone has any.
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/10/the-tragedy-of-volodymyr-zelensky/
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
I think the ONLY current hope for rebalance in the US is if bodies like the CIA and deep military have some hidden check and balances which if triggered, shut it all down. Otherwise this is going to be a hugely uncomfortable and somewhat horrific era.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
That is the subject of countless articles, but I guess in each country there are different considerations. Most however involve some level of denial. The Baltics and other ex-Soviet states get it though, and as such are the most generous with their help.
I would suggest that as the Urkranians are the ones on the front line that is payment enough. We don't want to go too Trumpy on the whole thing. And whatever amount Europe pony up is sure to be much less than the cost of stopping Russia later when it continues its expansionism.
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SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Re. The article, this kind of longer history is more informative than the short current affairs reports we base our opinions on in the west. The more complex messy history gives a more rounded picture of events. We tend to only get partisan stories in the media. Which back our team.
What I’d add to that article is some of the far right Ukrainian groups were funded by the Americans in the last two decades. They were seeking to manipulate Ukraine towards the west away from Russia. These contextual details are not widely reported. Here’s another long article - can skip through the headings - which provides even more context to the conflict going back pre-Zelensky:
A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.
jacobin.com
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monkeybarry
Steffen Freund
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Re. The article, this kind of longer history is more informative than the short current affairs reports we base our opinions on in the west. The more complex messy history gives a more rounded picture of events. We tend to only get partisan stories in the media. Which back our team.
What I’d add to that article is some of the far right Ukrainian groups were funded by the Americans in the last two decades. They were seeking to manipulate Ukraine towards the west away from Russia. These contextual details are not widely reported. Here’s another long article - can skip through the headings - which provides even more context to the conflict going back pre-Zelensky:
A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.
Great, thanks for the link, I'll read later.
johnola
Chris Armstrong
I thought the whole point of the US Colonials was there was no depth.
Everyone is their own King, their own access to GHod. No absolute power.
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Everything people thought is currently in some weird lala land mate..:
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Honestly the comments from Trump are beyond anything I expected. You cannot just brush it off as Trump being Trump. He is playing with lives here.
ricky2tricky4city
Dimitar Berbatov
It's like he thinks he's in some kind of gameshow.
To think there could be 4 years of this, its hard to imagine the potential damage and multiple crisis's that could entail.
Of course, we might equally get to the point where we realize he's just a trumper full of guff (which he is) BUT this is the world of politics not TV or business.
This is the problem with high profile people from business becoming politicians, it's a different game. Yes, one might think they'd understand the economy, the money side of politics BUT they also think everything is transactional. Yes, with money people can 'suffer' , scammed, overcharged, brick deal etc BUT in politics and especially geopolitics the 'transactions' result is conflict, death, destruction, disease, displacement. Nothing suitable for a TV gameshow.
The worry is that beyond the supposed political thoughts of these right wing leaders, they appear to be aligning on their character traits. Narcissistic, power hungry, wealth hungry, untouchable dictators....that detest any decent human beings that thinks fairness is a thing and all human lives matter.
The USA cosying up with Russia...who'd have thought it?
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I mean the cold war was always a problem but Gorbachev gave us hope when there was not any. Trump has just handed power across because someone lifted his balls
Mikey10
Johnny Morrison
I think that is EXACTLY what is happening.
It's exactly why Europe needs to pump money and arms into Ukraine and it's own military. It's getting to the stage where an EU/European army is needed in order to stop Europe being side-lined like it is over Ukraine.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Most obviously in the Ukraine talks, but when you add in the guff about Panama, Greenland, Canada, Gaza and China eying up Taiwan it all looks a bit 1984'ish.