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Putin & Russia
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Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
it is a bit new forest paintball
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
It would be some psyop but I think it is real.
johnola
Dean Austin
Whatever it is I hope Ukraine can find a way to exploit it to their advantage.
Kandi1977
George Hunt
Also reports that Russian airforce are conducting bombing runs on the PMC column on its way to Moscow on the highway.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That's capitalism for you. It's a bit like here when we give G4S security or Excel Parking a job as a cheap/unregulated alternatives to actual police.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If you were the Belrussian opposition, or indeed Georgia and Moldovia (re Russian occupation of Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria), I think today is probably the day to go all guns in.
This is funny as fudge.
Hindsight's great, buy why didn't NATO/ Ukraine just pay Wagner more and do this sooner?
Hindsight's great, buy why didn't NATO/ Ukraine just pay Wagner more and do this sooner?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If you dance with the devil...
The best outcome i guess is the coup narrowly fails, but that Putin's authority goes completely and some moderate generals take over (it wont be a democratic opposition in the short-to-medium term)
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Russian roulette. Who knows who will be holding the revolver and which chamber the nukes will be in.
Western interventions seems to have a history of causing more mayhem than it solves.
Ironically, the West will probably want Putin to come through and provide stability. Better the nutter you know. A bit like Syria where the West backed Islamists to bring about a change (and spar with Russia), only to realise the Islamist groups were a worse option than the incumbent Russian-backed Assad.
Western interventions seems to have a history of causing more mayhem than it solves.
Ironically, the West will probably want Putin to come through and provide stability. Better the nutter you know. A bit like Syria where the West backed Islamists to bring about a change (and spar with Russia), only to realise the Islamist groups were a worse option than the incumbent Russian-backed Assad.
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I don't think anyone in the West gives much of a fudge about Putin as long as he and his army are out of Ukraine.
Losing here will be enough of a public slap down to prevent it in future
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
I've been trying to follow what's going on. Amazing how giving pretty much everyone the ability to record and share information with everyone has led to nobody knowing what is true. I've seen the odd clip of supposedly Russian fighter planes getting downed to then find a comment saying "actually it's a non military plane" and then one saying "This was proven to be footage from 2014".
It's like the continuous wars between Oceana, Eurasia and Eastasia but we seem to be misleading ourselves rather than it being driven from the top. Ironically it's an almost Orwellian suggestion to counter the problem but it's like anyone wanting to post anything needs fact checking and censored if not kosher. As an added bonus, ITK posters would immediately be starved of attention and flimflam journos their commission pay
As ever with any conflict it'd be nice if it only affected the rich people who start it and profit from it but if it leads to Putin getting taken out alongside the ritual daily embarrassment of Trump / Johnson the world can move towards being a nicer place.
It's like the continuous wars between Oceana, Eurasia and Eastasia but we seem to be misleading ourselves rather than it being driven from the top. Ironically it's an almost Orwellian suggestion to counter the problem but it's like anyone wanting to post anything needs fact checking and censored if not kosher. As an added bonus, ITK posters would immediately be starved of attention and flimflam journos their commission pay
As ever with any conflict it'd be nice if it only affected the rich people who start it and profit from it but if it leads to Putin getting taken out alongside the ritual daily embarrassment of Trump / Johnson the world can move towards being a nicer place.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
A couple of months civil war in Russia would be lovely, Ukraine would be able to take back their territory in roughly that time I’d guess?
the world doesn’t need this Wagner nutter taking over though.
the world doesn’t need this Wagner nutter taking over though.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If the threat gets serious, Shoigu and co will presumably recall the regular army back into Russia, in which case the entire front could collapse in days.
Putin already mentioned 1917 today - there's interesting parallels re the road to Brest-Litovsk