SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Well May had to interpret the vote and deliver something. Had you been in her shoes, what would you say people voted for? That you could take to the EU to frame an exit agreement around?
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Well May had to interpret the vote and deliver something. Had you been in her shoes, what would you say people voted for? That you could take to the EU to frame an exit agreement around?
Sorry, that's what I was referring to - Norway is the best option but won't fly.
I wouldn't have stopped freedom of movement. I don't agree with it in principle and I would not have gone for any deal that stopped it.
That opens a whole world of possibilities.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Easy to say what you wouldn't do. That's what Parliment just did. What is it you would do?
It's another folly of Brexit. It was sold as a postive, a Yes vote. Sold as a forward thinking vote. When in fact it has always been a negative, what we don't like. We don'e like those lot over there deciding our laws and coming and going as they please. But no one has ever put forward a viable vision for post Brexit - something positive - and its telling that you can't outline what you would have taken to the EU as your exit, just what you wouldn't have taken. It's appriorate, I'll give you that!
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I believe people voted to curtail freedom of movement and jurisdiction of the EU courts. That was the sell. That's only my opinion of course as no one fudging knows what the Brexit vote was really about, but this, if true is in complete contradiction to any flavour of Norway agreement. So any backing for Norway as a compromise baffles me.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Yep. It was ill concieved from the get go. More about placating the Tory party than actually doing anything positive for the UK. That a few private school toffs, and UKIP, got their day in the limelight, funded by disruptive Russian cash, was a perfect storm. Emotively Brexit appeals to people who love their nation (a good thing), but the reality delivers zilch. How do you pick up the pieces of that?
I've long argued that a leader needs to harness the Brexit committment and deliver something to the UK from within the EU. Deliver on the sentiments of Brexit while in the EU. It's not as far fetched as its sounds, but we currently lack leaders who can a. call it like it is and b. communicate and deliver viable vision to people. Instead we're sold crap, which politicians play along with, until the shi1 hits the fan.
Ah I was talking about France (a socialist economy) being worried with the UK moving towards a socialist economy ... I didn't think you actually thought Corbyn would lead to Venezuela.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Do you think the country could move away from globalisation and neo-liberalism within the EU? Because that's what Brexit was a rejection of. And they are pretty fundamental pillars of the EU.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The appeal of Norway is that it's easy to leave. All you have to do is give 12 months notice. So it's actually a much better place to launch Brexit 2.0 from than the withdrawal agreement/permanent customs union bind.
No it wasn't
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Of course it was. That's why London - the only winner of the last 30 years of globalisation and neo-liberalism was so pro-EU, whereas the rest of the county which lost from it was leave (across north and south, working and middle class, labour and tory). Scotland is a bit different because basically for them the EU = not England
Macron, McDonnell and others have articulated this narrative: https://news.sky.com/story/emmanuel-macron-french-would-probably-vote-to-leave-eu-11216872
It's the end result of his political leaning. I don't see a single thing in Chavez's actions that aren't straight out of Corbyn's playbook.
Even the wording of how he described his actions - they're both from the same brainwashed cult.
I'd keep the four pillars, open up trade with the rest of he world, compete heavily with the EU via favourable regulation and taxation and accept all EU law when related to goods traded with the EU.
It's essentially EFTA without the EU's environmental and employment overreach.
Oh the wording, I looked at the actual policies.. Silly me
Tories were the largest part of the leave vote, the party of neo Liberalism.
State control of industry, massively increased spending, redistribution of wealth, worker influence/ownership above their knowledge/ability level, transactional taxation, etc.
As I already mentioned, the policies are the same, the similarity in wording shows that they're reading from the same flawed script.
I think it's how Parliament will try to go. It will end up this or no deal imo, and they have ruled no deal out. We'll have to wait and see I suppose, who really knows anymore?
Same as France then
Satisfies the referendum on a technical level "yay, we've left the EU!" while pretty much just keeping things as they are so we can move on with this sh1t.
Another referendum will be a nightmare imo and what hardcore remainers don't seem to even contemplate is that they could lose again, and then what? All other ways of leaving just seem like undeliverable sh1te, due to the country not being prepared (no-deal scenario), Irish border issues etc.
IMO, a coalition of Labour Remainers (bulk of the party) Tory Remainers (a good chunk of their party), SNP/Lib Dems/Green and even The DUP (yes, them) would get it through Parliament.