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VW out of pocket, or all the extra deaths caused by particulates?

Especially as they I'm a actively fiddling the emissions test, when the rest of the world's manufacturers (US/Japan) had long been moving away from diesel because they recognised the problem

We're drifting off topic, but petrol engines with fuel injection (which is to say, most modern ones) pose a far greater particulate threat. The particulates are too small to be easily measured, which means that they are more likely to be aspirated and stay in the body.

The future's electric, no-one doubts that.

Now, why do you say that EU rules forbid nationalisation of services?
 
Are there not many examples of nationalised services across EU countries?
http://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

Other European nations demonstrate how Britain could take the railways back into the public sector while abiding by EU rail rules. There are two main adopted models. The first is two separate state-owned companies (one for track, one for trains), which is used in Spain and the Netherlands.

The second uses separate companies within a state-owned group of companies (a parent company with a subsidiary company for infrastructure, and others for different train services). This is the model used in Germany and Italy.
 
He doesn't speak for UK business though. I believe his position was different to the CBI's position pre brexit.

Although he listens to hundreds of businesses he still forms his own opinion having presumably heard many divergent views. That is not the same as navigating brexit directly as a business such a the Innocent man does as do hundreds of other small businesses dealing with European businesses.

Making those sweeping claims about how easy it would be to get a deal after brexit kind of destroys his credibility for me. Digby Jones is just another fat cat who loves the sound of his voice.
Well he can't represent each individual view, otherwise they might as well do that themselves.

If you want to hear the voice of someone who has to navigate an SME through Brexit then you can listen to mine.
 
Enough considering the insight was there are some people who voted to stop immigration wouldnt you think.

The insight from who? We were talking about your specific experiences of being in Basildon and asking. There are 180,000 people in Basildon so to get an acurate sample size you must have had alot of conversations to get an accurate view and watertight view.
 
http://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

Other European nations demonstrate how Britain could take the railways back into the public sector while abiding by EU rail rules. There are two main adopted models. The first is two separate state-owned companies (one for track, one for trains), which is used in Spain and the Netherlands.

The second uses separate companies within a state-owned group of companies (a parent company with a subsidiary company for infrastructure, and others for different train services). This is the model used in Germany and Italy.

That's still state-owned providers operating in a market. It's not renationalisation. SNCF keep getting sued on grounds of state aid.
 
The insight from who? We were talking about your specific experiences of being in Basildon and asking. There are 180,000 people in Basildon so to get an acurate sample size you must have had alot of conversations to get an accurate view and watertight view.
My specific experiences in Basildon were that some wanted to end immigration, I have spoken to enough people to know that some people in Basildon wanted to end immigration.
 
Positives about Brexit
- Stronger democracy - will anything change, seeing as we hardly vote in EU elections? Really, honesly?
- Economic localism replacing globalisation - soundbite, means nothing. Any reason why we can't give local government more money and power now?
- Rebalanced economic - away from finance and the south-east - How and why?
- Renationalisation and cancelling PPPs - the French government retains part ownership of everything from Orange telecoms to car firms, and they do it in the EU. So I don't see that exiting the EU has any impact.
- Planned infrastructure projects (including food and green energy self-sufficiency) - again, why can't we do this now? What will change post exit?
- Immigration determined by skill, not race - Race doesn't determine immigration now. A black person living in France can enter the UK as freely as a white one. How will the UK get people to do all the low skill jobs? The worst jobs on building sites and picking fruit? What skill do you need for that? Where will these people come from, and will they be able to go home, once the building work dries up or the summer ends?
- Population check reduces pressure on public services and housing - Austerity has probably had more of a negative impact. Cuts to publc services have been harsh. Had we not had the leave vote, the economy would have smashed through Austerity by now, and we'd have more to spend. Instead the UK faces an Austerity future as jobs and UK Exchequer revenue go, leaving less money for public services and housing
 
Localism isn't about local government per se. It's more about moving production as close as possible to the point of consumption. Locally sourced food, cottage industries, simple supply chains, craftsmanship, sustainability

The thing that unites it all though is control and accountability. It's the ability to plan and do things in the interests of people, rather than be hostage to the markets, with the EU as guardians of the markets.
 
Localism isn't about local government per se. It's more about moving production as close as possible to the point of consumption. Locally sourced food, cottage industries, simple supply chains, craftsmanship, sustainability

The thing that unites it all though is control and accountability. It's the ability to plan and do things in the interests of people, rather than be hostage to the markets, with the EU as guardians of the markets.

Where outside the EU does this exist? Is the key variable to stopping localism the EU?
 
The UK will have control of its immigration policy for the first time in decades after Brexit, Theresa May has promised.

The prime minister said low-skilled immigration will fall under a new visa system where it is "workers' skills that matter, not where they come from".

The plans follow a recommendation by the Migration Advisory Committee, which was also backed by Labour.

The cabinet agreed to the committee's recommendations last week.

Mrs May said: "The new skills-based system will make sure low-skilled immigration is brought down and set the UK on the path to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, as we promised.

"At the same time we are training up British people for the skilled jobs of the future."

A White Paper outlining how the system will work will be published in the autumn, ahead of legislation next year.

Under the proposals:

  • The passports of short-stay tourists and business people from all "low-risk" countries would be scanned at e-gates - currently only EU citizens can do this
  • Security and criminal records checks would be carried out before visits, similar to the system of prior authorisation in the US
  • Workers wanting to stay for longer periods would need a minimum salary, to "ensure they are not competing with people already in the UK"
  • Successful applicants for high-skilled work would be able to bring their immediate family, but only if sponsored by their future employers
  • The new system will not cap the number of student visas
Mrs May said the UK will be an outward-facing nation after Brexit but must attract the people the country needs.

She said: "Two years ago, the British public voted to leave the European Union and take back control of our borders.

"When we leave we will bring in a new immigration system that ends freedom of movement once and for all."

She added: "It will be a system that looks across the globe and attracts the people with the skills we need.

"Crucially it will be fair to ordinary working people. For too long people have felt they have been ignored on immigration and that politicians have not taken their concerns seriously enough."

In a BBC Breakfast TV interview which also covered broader Brexit policy, Mrs May brushed off suggestions that there would have to be a general election or a referendum on any deal struck with the EU:

"It is not in the national interest to have a general election" - PM Theresa May tells @BBCBreakfasthttps://t.co/CNATObuLrV pic.twitter.com/2t9s6sKejY

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) October 2, 2018



The government has announced the rights EU citizens already living and working in the UK will be safeguarded after Brexit.

EU freedom of movement allows people from the European Economic Area - all EU countries, as well as Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - plus Switzerland, to travel and work within the area without visas, regardless of skills.

People from outside the EU can apply for visas, including "Tier 2" visas. The current policy is to allow 20,700 high-skilled workers into the UK each year on Tier 2 visas.

The rules were recently relaxed for people taking jobs in the NHS.
 
The UK will have control of its immigration policy for the first time in decades after Brexit, Theresa May has promised.

The prime minister said low-skilled immigration will fall under a new visa system where it is "workers' skills that matter, not where they come from".

The plans follow a recommendation by the Migration Advisory Committee, which was also backed by Labour.

The cabinet agreed to the committee's recommendations last week.

Mrs May said: "The new skills-based system will make sure low-skilled immigration is brought down and set the UK on the path to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, as we promised.

"At the same time we are training up British people for the skilled jobs of the future."

A White Paper outlining how the system will work will be published in the autumn, ahead of legislation next year.

Under the proposals:

  • The passports of short-stay tourists and business people from all "low-risk" countries would be scanned at e-gates - currently only EU citizens can do this
  • Security and criminal records checks would be carried out before visits, similar to the system of prior authorisation in the US
  • Workers wanting to stay for longer periods would need a minimum salary, to "ensure they are not competing with people already in the UK"
  • Successful applicants for high-skilled work would be able to bring their immediate family, but only if sponsored by their future employers
  • The new system will not cap the number of student visas
Mrs May said the UK will be an outward-facing nation after Brexit but must attract the people the country needs.

She said: "Two years ago, the British public voted to leave the European Union and take back control of our borders.

"When we leave we will bring in a new immigration system that ends freedom of movement once and for all."

She added: "It will be a system that looks across the globe and attracts the people with the skills we need.

"Crucially it will be fair to ordinary working people. For too long people have felt they have been ignored on immigration and that politicians have not taken their concerns seriously enough."

In a BBC Breakfast TV interview which also covered broader Brexit policy, Mrs May brushed off suggestions that there would have to be a general election or a referendum on any deal struck with the EU:

"It is not in the national interest to have a general election" - PM Theresa May tells @BBCBreakfasthttps://t.co/CNATObuLrV pic.twitter.com/2t9s6sKejY

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) October 2, 2018



The government has announced the rights EU citizens already living and working in the UK will be safeguarded after Brexit.

EU freedom of movement allows people from the European Economic Area - all EU countries, as well as Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - plus Switzerland, to travel and work within the area without visas, regardless of skills.

People from outside the EU can apply for visas, including "Tier 2" visas. The current policy is to allow 20,700 high-skilled workers into the UK each year on Tier 2 visas.

The rules were recently relaxed for people taking jobs in the NHS.
I can summarise that entire speech with the word "inflation"
 
Haven't heard it, don't care what it is. He doesn't have a hope of getting what he wants so I'm not wasting my time listening to him.

It was a good speech. He brings far more theatre than the dull dull dull of the main hall speeches. Like Trump he's entertainment in a world of political boredom, and candid (to an extent). Both are refreshing. He also tells a good story, always gets in a classical reference and is bindingly patriotic.

If he could flesh out the details of original ideas - not just analyse but envision in detail - he would demonstrate his credentials for leadership. It is his missing link to the top job. He deconstructs others work with clarify, perceptiveness and originality yet he shows little ability to construct and put forward his own ideas with the same verve and detail. He's an analysist rather than a creator, and falls back on patriotic rhetoric when it comes to his own vision. If he teamed up with someone with credible ideas and plans, he would be taken more seriously. Still he is vastly more charismatic and with a Camron type next to him (someone who is pragmatic) I think he could "have a hope of getting what he wants". But I don't think anyone will team up with him to give him this missing soundness.
 
It was a good speech. He brings far more theatre than the dull dull dull of the main hall speeches. Like Trump he's entertainment in a world of political bordom, and candid (to an extent). Both are refreshing. He also tells a good story, always gets in a classical referance and is bindingly patriotic.

If he could flesh out the details of original ideas - not just analyse but envison in detail - he would demonstraite his credentials for leadership. It is his missing link to the top job. He deconstructs others work with clarify, perceptivness and originality yet he shows little ability to construct and put forward his own ideas with the same verve and detail. He's an analysis rather than a creator, and falls back on patriotic retoric when it comes to his own vision. If he teamed up with someone with credible ideas and plans, he would be taken more seriously. Still he is vastly more charasmatic and with a Camron type next to him (someone who is pragmatic) I think he could "have a hope of getting what he wants". But I don't think anyone will team up with him to give him this missing soundness.
Possibly. He's a very good speaker, but I don't think he has the support in the party to get anywhere.

My close contact with anyone actively in the party is way out of date (bar some meetings with a couple of local MPs) but nobody in the party seems to take his leadership attempts seriously. He's generally seen as good for the party as a whole (the public seem to like him) and for getting the trots all foaming at the mouth. Past that, it's more a case of finding something public but damage-limited for him to do.
 
Theresa May will close the Conservative conference by declaring Britain's post-Brexit future is "full of promise" and insisting her party remains "on the side" of hard-pressed families.

The PM will tell the Tory faithful the country's "best days lie ahead of us".

She will also announce that fuel duty will be frozen for the ninth year in a row in the Budget later this month.

Her speech comes after Boris Johnson launched a fresh broadside against her Chequers plan for trade with the EU.

The ex-foreign secretary told a packed meeting on Tuesday it was "constitutional outrage" that would lead to the UK being humiliated.

The conference has been overshadowed by tensions over Brexit, with the prime minister sticking by her Chequers plan, which would see the UK retain close links to the EU in trade in goods, but not services, despite criticism from all sides.

Mrs May will be hoping her big keynote speech goes more smoothly than last year when a coughing fit forced her to stop on several occasions and she was also interrupted by a prankster who handed her a mock P45.

The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said it was the PM's task to show she could "change the conversation" and demonstrate that Brexit would make a positive difference to people's lives at a time when her future was an "open question" within the party.

She will use her speech to try to strike an optimistic note, and is expected to say: "I passionately believe that our best days lie ahead of us and that our future is full of promise.

"Don't let anyone tell you we don't have what it takes: we have everything we need to succeed."

She will re-iterate her commitment to helping people on low incomes by ruling out any increase in fuel duty in the Budget on 29 October.

There has been speculation that the annual freeze, in place since 2010, may come to an end, with an inflation-linked rise used to pay for the £20bn in extra annual funding promised for the NHS.

The prime minister will also launch an attack on Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, claiming millions of non-Tory voters were worried about "what he has done to Labour"

The Conservatives, she will say, must show they are a "party not for the few, not even for the many, but for everyone who is willing to work hard and do their best".

"One that puts the national interest first. Delivers on the issues they care about. And is comfortable with modern Britain in all its diversity.

"We must show everyone in this country that we are that party."

PM 'cross with Johnson'
Mr Johnson used his appearance on Tuesday to make the case for greater economic freedom after Brexit and lower taxes.

In response, Mrs May said the ex-foreign secretary could be relied upon to put on a "good show" but parts of his speech - which she says she did not watch - had made her "cross".

"He wanted to tear up our guarantee to the people of Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK," she said.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove - who unlike fellow Brexiteer Boris Johnson has stayed in the cabinet to defend Mrs May's Chequers plan - has said he is worried about the prospect of a no-deal Brexit, something the government has not ruled out.

"As a government we are preparing for any eventuality but I think it would be sub-optimal," he said at a fringe event on Tuesday evening.

Asked if Brexit was turning out the way he had expected, Mr Gove replied: "No, not quite."

He added: "I didn't expect there would be such a head of steam behind calls for a second referendum or a people's vote."
 
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