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the dza said:
If the negotiations continue as is, then there will be no deal and a hard Brexit. Parliament can only vote on a government deal, but if there isn't one then what can they do?

Theresa May is like Del Boy in the hang-glider -- she's been bluffing all along and is gonna have to end up running off the cliff and see what happens.
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The wont be a hard brexit. Parliament will not sign off on it, some sort of delayed or extended negotiation will be the outcome. As soon as Cameron attempted to kick it into the long grass @milo and did not send the letter the day after the referendum result as he said he would.

Not going to happen.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The wont be a hard brexit. Parliament will not sign off on it, some sort of delayed or extended negotiation will be the outcome. As soon as Cameron attempted to kick it into the long grass @milo and did not send the letter the day after the referendum result as he said he would.

Not going to happen.
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Well, I hope you are right (that there won't be a no-deal Brexit). But time is running short and this government are totally incompetent. I think we could end up with one by accident.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The wont be a hard brexit. Parliament will not sign off on it, some sort of delayed or extended negotiation will be the outcome. As soon as Cameron attempted to kick it into the long grass @milo and did not send the letter the day after the referendum result as he said he would.

Not going to happen.
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Trying to find reference to Cameron saying he would send the letter the day after the result, got a source ?
 
This is where, imo, May (and Corbyn, as he also called for it) is a macaron for triggering Article 50 so quickly. Why not kick off the negotiations and get various points clarified before starting the clock?

She could have got "Chequers" (and the subsequent sh1tting all over it) done and we could be at this stage, without being on the countdown to leaving. IMO, she could end up not getting a deal all because she's trying to cling on to power. And what does she want power for? She has no phucking vision at all, I really can't stand the qunt and that latest speech today just about tops it off.

The government could then have told the public "we can't do anything but Norway or Canada, so we are going Norway" and then we could go from there.
 
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I think the cabinet has always been clear about what we want (no contributions, full market access, no free movement, etc). The negotiations have all been about getting as close to that as we can without giving too much away.
 
It took 2 years to move towards a compromise. That isn't what we want, neither is it what we've ever wanted.

What we've wanted was very clear from the start - all the benefits of EU membership with none of the costs.
 
After you can't get what you want, then you can't get a good result you are left with the least bad option....we need to decide what that is.
 
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It must be the thinking that last December when they agreed on the Irish backstop that the thoughts of a no deal were so remote in their minds as to be inconsequential, and so what they agreed to was academic in a way. I can't see any other rationale other than this.
 
r-u-s-x said:
After you can't get what you want, then you can't get a good result you are left with the least bad option....we need to decide what that is.
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I agree - that goes for both sides.

The suggestion that we don't know what we want though is simply untrue. We know what we want, the EU (or at least its autocrats) k own what they want - both are impossible.
 
If you are going to play hardball, you need a legitimate threat. It's like you don't go making big salary demands unless you've got another job offer or two in your pocket.

We now need to open very public negotiations to join the TPP and/or NAFTA (I appreciate the latter is troubled at the moment) immediately on 1 April. The threat of a rival economic sphere pitching up on its border is the type of thing that will draw concessions. It's all about power for the EU, and keeping us under their yoke
 
scaramanga said:
I agree - that goes for both sides.

The suggestion that we don't know what we want though is simply untrue. We know what we want, the EU (or at least its autocrats) k own what they want - both are impossible.
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It does seem from how things have been going that the EUs option is to keep the 4 pillars (I. E hard brexit) while the governments is that they need a trade deal we will see come November.

From a lot of reports immigration is the major issue in the EU not brexit.
 
Gutter Boy said:
If you are going to play hardball, you need a legitimate threat. It's like you don't go making big salary demands unless you've got another job offer or two in your pocket.

We now need to open very public negotiations to join the TPP and/or NAFTA (I appreciate the latter is troubled at the moment) immediately on 1 April. The threat of a rival economic sphere pitching up on its border is the type of thing that will draw concessions. It's all about power for the EU, and keeping us under their yoke
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Even if it was desirable, I don't think we could join NAFTA. We are not part of North America, I've never heard it being discussed that NAFTA was for anyone but Mexico, USA and Canada.

*edit* What is with the stupid phucking filter on this site? Can't type 'we are' with an apostrophe now?
 
This Brexit shambles reminds me of the London Stadium debacle. Perhaps we have employed the same negotiators.

The Tory party have torn this Country apart and not just through Brexit, look at the state of our prisons, local government, Police and NHS. The damage they have done will be felt by generations. An odious bunch of tossers. Sadly the alternative doesn’t seem anymore palatable.
 
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Robspur12 said:
This Brexit shambles reminds me of the London Stadium debacle. Perhaps we have employed the same negotiators.

The Tory party have torn this Country apart and not just through Brexit, look at the state of our prisons, local government, Police and NHS. The damage they have done will be felt by generations. An odious bunch of tossers. Sadly the alternative doesn’t seem much more palatable.
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You have to laugh at May’s “refusal to split the country in two” the referendum has done that and her dogmatic idiocy will do the same to Ireland.
 
What is becoming abundantly clear throughout this brick-show is that Great Britain isn’t as great or as important as we like to think we are


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Robspur12 said:
This Brexit shambles reminds me of the London Stadium debacle. Perhaps we have employed the same negotiators.

The Tory party have torn this Country apart and not just through Brexit, look at the state of our prisons, local government, Police and NHS. The damage they have done will be felt by generations. An odious bunch of tossers. Sadly the alternative doesn’t seem anymore palatable.
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The alternative will at least try to reverse the decline in prisons, local government, police and NHS. For that alone, the alternative is better.
 
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