milo
Jack L. Jones
There is if the system is tightened
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There is if the system is tightened
milo
Jack L. Jones
This is the kind of thing that I am talking about
http://www.essentialretail.com/news...mment-the-unforeseen-cost-of-brexit-–-customs
http://www.essentialretail.com/news...mment-the-unforeseen-cost-of-brexit-–-customs
milo
Jack L. Jones
As each of the component parts come in to the EU, they are already recorded - the same when they are exported either stand alone of as a part of something else.
That information is already shared with the entire EU. So we already trace the source of those parts, and would continue to do so.
For all its faults, the UK government has been pretty good at automating these submissions and many accounting packages will do so without any intervention.
milo
Jack L. Jones
That is because we are within the single market, it is far from certain that the current arrangements would continue if we were not in the single market or a customs union (that is kind of the point of them). The EU are not going to want foreign companies basing themselves in the UK to get preferential access to its markets. We currently benefit from this but it is something that they could easily but up barriers other than tariffs against after we have left.
milo
Jack L. Jones
This is an interesting read on the same point and customs union
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-were-staying-in-the-customs-union-and-heres-why-10634866
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-were-staying-in-the-customs-union-and-heres-why-10634866
Further to that:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ble-assurances-nissan-uk-customs-union-tariff
Cable told the Guardian: “The only way these big supply chain companies are going to commit themselves to Britain – and Nissan is the biggest – is that if they give them guarantees they are not going to be caught up in rules of origin problems, which is what happens if you leave the customs union.
“And if you stay in the customs union, which I think is what we’re talking about, what is the role of Dr Fox? Because it means you no longer have an independent trade policy.”
He added: “If you leave a customs union you, by definition, will have tariff regimes and have to validate all the flows of widgets going backwards or forwards. A customs union is not an incredibly big deal and it is not more radical than the single market. Turkey is in a customs union with the EU. But it does mean you can’t go round the world doing separate bilateral deals.”
The fact remains though, that we already have to gather the required information and we have a method of passing that to the EU.
What are they going to do? Insist on us sending the information carved into tablets via carrier pigeon?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I think I've posted this before, but it's always worth a read:
https://life.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/a-handy-guide-to-left-wing-people-for-the-under-10s/
https://life.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/a-handy-guide-to-left-wing-people-for-the-under-10s/
Left-wing people in the olden days
Left-wing people used to like working-class people.
Lots of left-wing people used to be working-class people. These people were known as socialists and joined trade unions.
Sometimes working-class people used to frighten left-wing people, but they pretended that they weren’t frightened and were nice to them.
Left-wing people supported working-class people, gave them money, sat in rooms with them and wore badges to show that they cared more than right-wing people, who wore ties instead of badges and didn’t care.
Nowadays
Nowadays, working-class people are bored with socialism because it hasn’t made them rich and happy.
Nowadays left-wing people are middle-class people. Working class people are a big disappointment to left-wing people.
Left wing people now think that working class people are:
a) Simple and easily led
b) Un-enlightened and susceptible to short-term pleasures
c) Terribly sad and struggling, unable to cope on their own
d) All of the above
Education is a life-long task
Left-wing people think that working-class people are unable to think for themselves and require life-long education to help them make informed decisions.
Left-wing people work tirelessly on education programmes to encourage working class people to buy expensive food and clothes and not cheap food and clothes. They are disappointed that working-class people are un-ethical.
Working-class people like to drink alcohol, have sex and eat tasty food. They do not understand that these activities are dangerous and need continuous education from left-wing people.
Working-class people need to be protected from newspapers, even though they don’t read them anymore. They are easily influenced and their happy-go-lucky ways can be turned into bigoted nasty ways. Left-wing people are needed to help them use Facebook carefully and not make mistakes.
Left-wing people like to be sad and unhappy
Many left-wing people have a very nice life, but they like to be sad. To help with this, they choose to be sad for other people. Sometimes these people are far away and sometimes they are nearby, but different to them.
In the olden days, left-wing people tried to make it better for other people. Nowadays, they like to protect them by being offended when a working-class person doesn’t behave properly.
Left-wing like to help other people by being offended on their behalf. This means that the other people can carry on with their lives and the left-wing people do all the work. This isn’t really fair, but the left-wing people seem to carry on doing it, so they must enjoy it. Despite all this effort left-wing people are still very sad.
Left-wing people care more than other people
Left-wing people care so much that they love the whole entire planet. Other people don’t care about the planet, they only care about themselves and other people that they know. This means that left-wing people have to love the planet even more, even more than they actually like other people.
Left-wing people show that they care by telling other people about how much they care. They send special “I care” signals to other people. Forwarding videos on Facebook is one way that they can show how much they care. The videos often show people far away who are living miserable lives, but pictures of cute fluffy chickens in nasty factories are considered sufficient.
Left-wing activists (see below) are very helpful. They make lots of “I care” videos which makes it quick and easy for left-wing people to send their “signals”. They do this several times throughout each day when they are not busy.
Sometimes Left-wing people are made angry by other people
Left-wing people care so much, it makes them hate people who don’t show that they care. These people are right-wing people. Left-wing people have given them a name. It is “Tory scum”. Left-wing people like to shout at the right-wing people and tell them that they are scum even when they aren’t listening.
Shouting at the Tories is another way to show that they care. Caring is very important to left-wing people.
Left-wing people care so deeply that they don’t have time for thinking and convincing. They use their precious time for shouting about caring.
Also, working-class people don’t know what left-wing people are saying, so it is helpful when they point to the right-wing people and shout “scum”. They think that working-class people do understand shouting and caring.
If you have observed someone and you are not sure if they are a left-wing person, seek their opinion on “the Tories”. If they start to shout and care, they are left-wing.
Left-wing activists are helpful
Left-wing activists are left-wing people who have an internet connection. They make the internet very loud.
Left-wing activists help other people care on the internet. They are very helpful in pointing out when people have forgotten to show that they care. They help people in many ways – watching videos, commenting on things and clicking on buttons called “start a petition”. Left-wing activists sometimes go outside their houses and meet other left-wing people and they care together and shout at the Tory scum.
Left-wing people are funny
Left-wing people have “enlightened comedians” who make jokes on “panel games”. These are broadcast on the television and BBC Radio 4.
The enlightened comedians make people laugh at right-wing people, whom they consider stupid. In the olden days, comedians made jokes about Irish people, but these comedians weren’t clever like the enlightened comedians.
Instead of the Irish people, the enlightened comedians make jokes about working-class people.
Because they care, they use special words like “Glaswegians”, “Sun readers” and “UKIP supporters”, so the working-class people will not notice.
Working-class people do funny things like drinking Monster energy drinks, eating Haribos and watching television. This is funny and the enlightened comedians are helpful because they point at them and laugh, so we know who to laugh at as well. It is very funny and we all laugh because we are enlightened too.
Further reading
In the 1930’s George Orwell wrote about the left-wing people he knew in “The Road to Wigan Pier”. It is very funny.
I have known numbers of middle class Socialists, I have listened by the hour to their tirades against their own class, and yet never, not even once, have I met one who had picked up proletarian table-manners. In his heart he feels that proletarian manners are disgusting…he hates, fears, and despises the working class.
milo
Jack L. Jones
We don't currently have customs checks on every component part both in and out of the country.
No, and we never will - that's just a heuristic method to try and catch as much of what we don't want as possible.
We do though, have to report every item, it's category, weight, value, etc in and out. That information is recorded and distributed digitally and is already handed over to the EU. I don't see it as a significant problem to continue doing this, even if the EU changes the reporting method (which would also make their lives me difficult).
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that we are arguing the same point. Some form of customs union seems very likely and it seems that this is one of the assurances given to Nissan.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Ha, ha, that must be your 'bible' Scara. Love it, apart from the last bit. Orwell was the second greatest writer in the English language and a great socialist, so don't use him in your irrational and reactionary tirade.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Can anyone actually see Brexit happening? Just seems less and less able to be implemented without serious damage to the UK. In one glib way the anarchic side of me would like to see London regress a little. All the bankers leave, the city become less crowded and less attractive. Its totally irrational from a governmental perspective, the amount of tax revenue generate from banks would be impossible to replace.
I think May will have to find a way to present Brexit as something else (re-negotiated Remain as Cameron intended) or put it to a vote. Whether that is in Parliament or another referendum once the terms of exit are clear, I don't know. But for any politician to lead a country into an economic situation as fundamental as Brexit in a democracy, the people have to be represented - not represented on an intention, but voting on a known reality (the Brexit deal).
All very well voting for a dream scenario - what was presented to people - quite another voting to make yourself poorer with less government spending on all of us. Which wasn't what people voted for.
I think May will have to find a way to present Brexit as something else (re-negotiated Remain as Cameron intended) or put it to a vote. Whether that is in Parliament or another referendum once the terms of exit are clear, I don't know. But for any politician to lead a country into an economic situation as fundamental as Brexit in a democracy, the people have to be represented - not represented on an intention, but voting on a known reality (the Brexit deal).
All very well voting for a dream scenario - what was presented to people - quite another voting to make yourself poorer with less government spending on all of us. Which wasn't what people voted for.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I've said for a while that we need to ALL be open to the possibility that as this unfurls it may become evident that it is not in the national interest to implement Brexit. (And with the legal position that the referendum wasn't legally binding, that is a possible outcome)
So we should let our elected officials deal with it and then vote on it based on the merits of how medium and long run impact it is projected to have (positive or negative).
I do wonder if May is trying to do that by making it all a bit of a mess and a bit cloak and dagger.
I think she is banking on alot of Brexit voters saying they want more transparency or being more vocal about not wanting certain things - but I'm not sure that has happened yet, or even if it will.
I wonder how much the "favour" to Nissan was also an effort to show you have to special deals, hoping it was would look like a favour to big business that couldn't be blamed on the EU.