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Gutter Boy said:
Sovereignty is making sure local elected officials hold the power, rather than a distant self-anointed priesthood. So the decision-makers are accountable.
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They are! Its why nutters like Corbyn wont get power, unless those wonderful protesting, mad, screaming change for change's sake, Trump voting numpties get their way.

Its the 'save the bent banana' and 'bring power back' to the 'house of lords?' argument.

Sovereignty is a misnomer, and it crashed and burned in World War Two.

When the US sneezes, we catches the flu. There is no sovereignty, it's all about finance - that is just the way the 'global' stock markets operate and 'the market' are the true power now. Sovereignty died long ago with the last British gunboat.
We may not like it but let's not kid ourselves that we have the final say, because we dont!
 
r-u-s-x said:
In general or in the context of BREXIT?
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I was thinking in terms of our exit from the EU. These three seemed to be the crux of the argument and the order that you would prioritise them would dictate what kind of deal would satisfy you.
 
StephenH said:
They are! Its why nutters like Corbyn wont get power, unless those wonderful protesting, mad, screaming change for change's sake, Trump voting numpties get their way.

Its the 'save the bent banana' and 'bring power back' to the 'house of lords?' argument.

Sovereignty is a misnomer, and it crashed and burned in World War Two.

When the US sneezes, we catches the flu. There is no sovereignty, it's all about finance - that is just the way the 'global' stock markets operate and 'the market' are the true power now. Sovereignty died long ago with the last British gunboat.
We may not like it but let's not kid ourselves that we have the final say, because we dont!
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You could argue that we will have less power against big business outside of the EU and that this is a form of lost sovereignty too.
 
StephenH said:
They are! Its why nutters like Corbyn wont get power, unless those wonderful protesting, mad, screaming change for change's sake, Trump voting numpties get their way.

Its the 'save the bent banana' and 'bring power back' to the 'house of lords?' argument.

Sovereignty is a misnomer, and it crashed and burned in World War Two.

When the US sneezes, we catches the flu. There is no sovereignty, it's all about finance - that is just the way the 'global' stock markets operate and 'the market' are the true power now. Sovereignty died long ago with the last British gunboat.
We may not like it but let's not kid ourselves that we have the final say, because we dont!
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Shall we just let the City of London, Wall Street, The European Central Bank just DIRECTLY and openly run our National and Local Governments then? In fact, maybe Trump SHOULD be the only candidate on the US election ballot?

Financial power is indeed VERY relevant today, but they have to play second fiddle to elected Government in any democracy.
 
milo said:
I'd be interested in how people would rank the following in order of importance:

Sovereignty
Immigration
Economy
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Similar to what @Gutter Boy Sovereignty is number one, as control of the Economy (and Immigration as a distant 3rd) flows through having Sovereignty in control of the relevant domain/realm
 
glorygloryeze said:
Shall we just let the City of London, Wall Street, The European Central Bank just DIRECTLY and openly run our National and Local Governments then? In fact, maybe Trump SHOULD be the only candidate on the US election ballot?

Financial power is indeed VERY relevant today, but they have to play second fiddle to elected Government in any democracy.
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If you get a chance try to watch Adam Curtis's 'Hyper Normalisation' http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation
 
glorygloryeze said:
Thanks will try and do so; i think Adam Curtis is the documentary maker that produced one around 2004 that was excellent (can't remember the name of it but it had the song "but baby it's cold outside" playing through a lot of it)
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The Power of Nightmares. I re-watched it the other week, a lot of it was quite pertinent to the US election.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Financial power is indeed VERY relevant today, but they have to play second fiddle to elected Government in any democracy.
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I think that the risk is that outside of a larger block we have less power against big multinational business es and we end up in an auction between the smaller states of who will offer the most favourable terms. Who we have appointed as Brexit ministers seems to support this being our approach.
 
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