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scaramanga said:
Obviously walls are not the answer, there are far better ways of controlling immigration - reducing minimum wages and benefit levels being the best.
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If Nicola sturgeons undemocractic socialist party of scotia gets its way with her open door and increased benefits then Europe won't have a migrant problem, but Scotland will.
the Calais jungle will move from the French uk border to the Scotland England border.
 
milo said:
I'm not clear how either of these points relates to the Syrian refugee crisis. The quotas were agreed by national governments. Maybe the media have moved on and it is not being covered but I have not read much about refugees moving within Europe like we saw last summer.

I have met with friends in the last week who live and work in Paris, Vienna, Prague and Bratislava and spoken to them about it. One of those people spends most of his time commuting between European capitals and had a quite good view of how the situation is playing out across the continent.
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I can only go by the opinions of those working for me and what they pass on from friends/family.

Pretty much all are NIMBYs in this situation and most don't trust EU politicians (as a group) and believe they will change the rules as and when suits. Most Irish people I know also feel the same way.
 
glasgowspur said:
If Nicola sturgeons undemocractic socialist party of scotia gets its way with her open door and increased benefits then Europe won't have a migrant problem, but Scotland will.
the Calais jungle will move from the French uk border to the Scotland England border.
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She's nothing but cancer in human form.
 
glasgowspur said:
If Nicola sturgeons undemocractic socialist party of scotia gets its way with her open door and increased benefits then Europe won't have a migrant problem, but Scotland will.
the Calais jungle will move from the French uk border to the Scotland England border.
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What's un-democratic about it? They faced the people and won a majority, there's nothing un-democratic about that.
 
glasgowspur said:
They lost a referendum yet are trying to foist another one on us because it wasn't the result they want.
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But the first referendum was conducted under the general impression that the UK would, if it had a vote, vote to stay in the UK. Caveat emptor and all that but you have also since had a different referendum where 62% of Scots voted to remain in the EU but their democratic voice has been swamped by the English and Welsh votes so you could argue that there is a significant political or constitutional shift which merits a reconsideration of the first independence referendum.
 
Lost Mango said:
But the first referendum was conducted under the general impression that the UK would, if it had a vote, vote to stay in the UK. Caveat emptor and all that but you have also since had a different referendum where 62% of Scots voted to remain in the EU but their democratic voice has been swamped by the English and Welsh votes so you could argue that there is a significant political or constitutional shift which merits a reconsideration of the first independence referendum.
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They chose to be a small part of something larger. The benefit being that our taxes prop up their economy, the downside being that they don't have a controlling vote.

They can't have the benefits without the costs.
 
Lost Mango said:
But the first referendum was conducted under the general impression that the UK would, if it had a vote, vote to stay in the UK. Caveat emptor and all that but you have also since had a different referendum where 62% of Scots voted to remain in the EU but their democratic voice has been swamped by the English and Welsh votes so you could argue that there is a significant political or constitutional shift which merits a reconsideration of the first independence referendum.
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But the SNP argument in the first ref was that we would be better off and don't listen to "project fear", when actually project fear turned out to be project playing it down.
You can't pick and choose which results suit you and ignore the rest.
parklane1 said:
Reminds me of some who were crying for another referendum after the Brexit vote went against them.
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parklane1 said:
Reminds me of some who were crying for another referendum after the Brexit vote went against them.
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Agreed, and I voted to remain.
glasgowspur said:
But the SNP argument in the first ref was that we would be better off and don't listen to "project fear", when actually project fear turned out to be project playing it down.
You can't pick and choose which results suit you and ignore the rest.



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milo said:
This is an interesting read on the NHS, it's problems and how to solve them

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...believe-new-models-health-care-many-pioneered
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Just got back from 3 days in Rome, the wife went over on her ankle, wearing high heels in that city was asking for trouble with the state of their pavements and cobbles everywhere. Got to say they were brilliant and she was put in a temporary plaster and allowed to fly back home this afternoon. Easyjet were anything but easy though.

I am not sure how the Italian health care system is set up but it seemed a smart and clean hospital we were at so if we get one like the Italians I would not be unhappy. I am right in thinking apart from Cuba we have the only national health system?

Word of advice guys, if your wife does trip over in one of the most romantic cities in the world, do not laugh and then suggest that the pope could bless her better, and when you finally get back to the hotel apparently it is poor form to go out and get something to eat and not bring anything back. Was hoping the painkillers would knock her out and I could find the nearest knocking shop.
 
milo said:
A reminder of why political parties need to occupy (or be seen to occupy) the centre ground to win general elections in Britain

https://twitter.com/x/status/774896209962074113
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I think I am a sex GHod and could still do a job in the midfield for spurs, don't make it true though, peoples opinions of where they sit politically bear in my experience little to where I would put them. I have meet staunch Labour supporters who have said massive right wing things, and through the first wife I met a lot of "toffs" who would say the were on the right of the tory party but were bleeding heart liberals going on about Africa.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I think I am a sex GHod and could still do a job in the midfield for spurs, don't make it true though, peoples opinions of where they sit politically bear in my experience little to where I would put them. I have meet staunch Labour supporters who have said massive right wing things, and through the first wife I met a lot of "toffs" who would say the were on the right of the tory party but were bleeding heart liberals going on about Africa.
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That poll does not seem to be too out of sync with how people actually vote though
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
No your right it does not.

Labour got to get rid of Corbyn quick, we need a strong opposition and he aint it.
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Agreed but it looks like it will take a whipping at a general election for the party members to come to their senses and even then I would not rule out them thinking that the system was stacked against them.
 
milo said:
Agreed but it looks like it will take a whipping at a general election for the party members to come to their senses and even then I would not rule out them thinking that the system was stacked against them.
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reread it fully and your right it is quite interesting, the grouping and centering of health care seems the way forward. I remember Alan Millburn saying on The Week that it would save money to close hospitals but he was not going to do it as he would have lost his job.

I think the dearly missed DHSF was involved with procuring on behalf of the NHS and he said the was gross miss management.
 
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