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milo said:
I think that you've been unlucky. I've had loads of people in unions work for me and the vast majority have been hardworking, dedicated and excellent employees. I've had the odd duff one but no more than non-union members.

There could be many reasons for joining a union that you did not agree with the leadership of. Off the top of my head. Unions offer many services to members beyond representation. Many work places only recognise one union, they may view a union that they do not fully agree with to be better than no representation. Whist you might not agree with the leadership, you might have a very good branch. They might want to vote for someone to take the union in the direction they would prefer.
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You're probably right about the bad luck - we probably made a lot of that ourselves by having a factory in Birmingham - I've never known a place so riddled with the disease of unions.
 
scaramanga said:
Dont suppose you want to buy one?

One not very careful owner, top end of the rev range thoroughly tested. Can you wear a horn out? If so, this one's probably on its way out.
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You no go rid of the 5 yet?

I hung on to mine, but my mileage is uber low though - still love it
 
Glenda's Legs said:
There are many unscrupulous employers out there who would happily take advantage of their workforce, take advantage of goodwill shown by individual employees, who will take shortcuts with safety, or ignore employment law if they can (regardless of what anyone may think of specific laws, they are nonetheless laws). Employers who will discriminate, or use spurious reasons to dismiss staff without following due process. Some of this may be intentional, often it may be down to bad training or insufficient knowledge of employment law on the part of HR or management. Unions play an important role in all these areas (and can often be of help in making employers aware of their obligations thus avoiding punitive fines or other measures). Unions will also advise employees when they do not have a case, when pursing something would be fruitless, when an employer is in the right. It is not all about striking and pay rises.
I am sure there are good and bad union leaders, in the same way there are good and bad employees, and good and bad managers. Unfortunately if you are a good employee working under bad management, leaving your job is not always a feasible option. Being able to call on the expertise of someone who can help improve the situation you are having to deal with can help redress the balance.
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This I don't know how to use the like button.
 
parklane1 said:
Just like a few bosses i have had the misfortune to meet over the years. The fact is there are arseholes everywhere and in every walk of life. And just to make it clear i am not a Union man by any means.
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They've just been worn down by the people that work for them!
 
StephenH said:
You no go rid of the 5 yet?

I hung on to mine, but my mileage is uber low though - still love it
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Still wearing it into the ground - mainly out of indecision.

Initially I was going to go a bit more economical with the new C Class - I love the air suspension on it. Then the E came out with all the self driving gadgetry and I've had my head turned by it. I've also driven both the XE and the XF which are both fantastic cars if you don't mind a slightly dated looking interior. I definitely won't be going for another 5, I need to remove the temptation to drive the way I often do - I cooked my brakes on a country lane on the way home the other day. An expensive ride home.
 
scaramanga said:
Still wearing it into the ground - mainly out of indecision.

Initially I was going to go a bit more economical with the new C Class - I love the air suspension on it. Then the E came out with all the self driving gadgetry and I've had my head turned by it. I've also driven both the XE and the XF which are both fantastic cars if you don't mind a slightly dated looking interior. I definitely won't be going for another 5, I need to remove the temptation to drive the way I often do - I cooked my brakes on a country lane on the way home the other day. An expensive ride home.
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They do bring the devil out in one...Mercs are made of yogurt pots by comparison.....depends what you want. My favourite car for todays roads would still be the latest version of my 5 touring but not with horrible run flats...
My nephew worked for a big Merc dealer "too many poor build problems" now with Lexus. Nice if you are only gay in the village.
 
StephenH said:
They do bring the devil out in one...Mercs are made of yogurt pots by comparison.....depends what you want. My favourite car for todays roads would still be the latest version of my 5 touring but not with horrible run flats...
My nephew worked for a big Merc dealer "too many poor build problems" now with Lexus. Nice if you are only gay in the village.
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They've massively improved from their old poor quality. We've got a few here as company cars and they've all been every bit as reliable as the BMWs we have. I couldn't ever buy a Lexus, it's just not the same.

Agree completely about run flats. I've got an M-Sport version with them and it's the most jarring ride I've ever had - even more than in proper sports cars.
 
scaramanga said:
They've massively improved from their old poor quality. We've got a few here as company cars and they've all been every bit as reliable as the BMWs we have. I couldn't ever buy a Lexus, it's just not the same.

Agree completely about run flats. I've got an M-Sport version with them and it's the most jarring ride I've ever had - even more than in proper sports cars.
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My Son had run flats on his one series back in the day, was just like driving a go cart. Mind it cornered like one but it felt like you had been to a chiropractor after a trip. Great fun though.
 
scaramanga said:
You get free legal advice and counsel from the government. No need to line some Trot's pockets to get that.


Good on you. Political donation is one of the more disgusting things unions do (and there's plenty ofor competition).


If taxes were optional like union subs then I'd agree with you.


Ignore whether it's good for the kids, as that's a special vocational case.

What if it's just good for the school? Or the business in the private sector? I know from experience that answer is invariably "No"


That company would have ended up struggling to retain staff and would have had to improve conditions or fail.
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You really do have selective morality Scara. So it's wrong for unions to donate to their political wing, the Labour Party, but it's quite okay for the Tories to accept donations from business? I wonder whether all shareholders would approve of that? Come on mate, try harder, debunking your skewed illogical thinking is just too easy. :p
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Whoaa, what about Scouserland Scara? I know, I know, they're all on the dole....right?
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I've not had experience of running a business in that part of the world. I never would either - they've all made it very clear they're closed for business over the last 20-30 years.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
You really do have selective morality Scara. So it's wrong for unions to donate to their political wing, the Labour Party, but it's quite okay for the Tories to accept donations from business? I wonder whether all shareholders would approve of that? Come on mate, try harder, debunking your skewed illogical thinking is just too easy. :p
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I don't know of any floated businesses that donate to the Conservatives - certainly all of the large ones are privately owned.

I think you'd be getting into the tiny fractions of funds before you get to any listed companies.
 
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