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But surely every other party would have done the same thing given the same opportunity? Plus, surely they would have known that entering into a coalition with the Conservatives would likely alienate and erode their voter base? The country was in the midst of an economic disaster. That was not a time for a minority government. It needed a strong coalition and the Lib Dems did their duty as sacrificial lambs. In a way, I think that should be applauded. Only IMVHO.


So according to this 'analysis' Labour or the SNP could have entered into a coalition with the Tories? Ha, ha. :D
 
I'd rather be described as a champagne socialist, than a two bob capitalist. There are plenty of the latter around here. Your attempts at humour by sending up the name of the Labour Party are infantile by the way. Not addressing the rest, as it was a typical meandering rant, which made little sense.

It appears you are clearly mistaken as subsequent posts have clearly shown. You may want everyone to share your views but you will find that they don't. You haven't shared your 'ideologies' but I'd hazard a guess that they won't benefit the country moving forward as you are backing a party that have a track record of taking the country backwards. I'm not an A typical right wing voter by any stretch of the imagination but I know that you don't spend money unless you make it. I care about the environment, the arts, I care about the welfare system, the NHS, I know the value of properly managed immigration and I want more support to allow more people who want to work to be able to better themselves. I'd like more and better affordable housing, control of the rate at which property is released to the market, work done on reducing 'empties', funding to improve areas that have lacked love and investment. If I changed education in any shape or form it would be to offer more skills based training, to equip those are not academic to learn trades but also more 'Life Management' skills, to teach about the benefits of good diet, health and money management.

I don't see the current coalition as a perfect solution but they are certainly a far better bet than Milliband and co. The same bunch that brought us to our knees, the same bunch that kept tax rates at 40% throughout their time in Government and have tried to con the stupid into thinking this is only the realm of the coalition. It beggars belief. They are a backward thinking, divisional party looking to further their own interests rather than those of the country. The coalition have to clean up their mess. They run the country while Milliband peddle's confusion trying to trick people into thinking their mismanagement of their own finances, their inability to leave the sofa, their decisions are somehow the responsibility of someone else.

I am not a high earner and I see the downside of rampant capitalism but I know that for the country to move forward we need a work ethic that mirrors other nations in the World, we need to take ownership of our own problems, we need to make more, export more, we need to produce more energy with jobs going to British workers, we need to manage our borders, we need to be tough on crime, we need to continue to reach out to the wider world to improve our educational system, we have to maintain our health system and find greater funding to keep it at pace with our growing needs. We need fairer taxation, we need to stop rewarding 'celebrity' through the media and selling a 'something for nothing' culture to our children.

I want us to stop trying to somehow malign the successful, the employers, the inventors, those who have worked hard to earn a good living simply as some crass way to feed the blame culture among those who don't want to work. I know loads of tradesmen who might fall into people's segmented view of Britain as 'working class' who earn fantastic money and graft 6 days a week. These are people who are earning because people have saved, people have worked hard, people have disposable income and that money is trickling down. I know others who employ gardeners, window cleaners, cleaners, maintenance people and yet someone would look at them and try to brand them in a negative way. Opportunity is coming back, jobs are being created and we have an opposition party who want to kick those who have enabled it and continue to do so.

Many wont' share my views but they are born out of a desire for Britain in its entirety to do better. I don't care about red or blue in politics, I'm not shackled by being brought up to think in a certain way, I've not been brainwashed or carry pointless historical baggage. I just look at today and tomorrow.
 
What a joke. you play the 'balanced' non-partisan card, only to be un-balanced and partisan. Which was always going to be the case.

Perhaps you are a 'blinkered card carrier' unable to deal with centric ideas and prefer to deal with sensationalism and polarised arguments ?? I don't know you personally, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and try to explain how I see things. Ask me about crime and you will still get quite a right wing response. Ask me about the welfare system and about immigration and 'you' might be one of those Labourites who tries to shout racist or fascist because they don't want the populace to discuss one of the single biggest failings of the modern era, (one that even today Ed Milliband has the disgusting audacity to try to score points on). If you ask me about the environment, look at the bodies I support, fund and I'd be strongly leaning towards the left. Ask me about the Arts and again I'm almost wearing hemp underpants. If I said I shopped in Waitrose occasionally I might be perceived in one way but when I pop into LIDL you might perceive me differently. You might hear me try to shut up a load of moaning teachers all mewling about Gove, many of which don't even know why they are mewling but then you might hear me singing the praises of oodles of excellent, hard working teachers who care passionately about their pupils (my partner being one of them). You might ask about the military and I may be struggling to decide what I think about the future.

My point is that just because someone is concerned about immigration, about the future of the economy, about protecting investment in the country, about wanting our country to work harder, to abolish this small but loud lazy core that exists in certain areas it does not place a label on them. That is just a pathetic tabloid mentality. We are all guilty of it from time to time. I don't base my choices purely on policies. Why? Often they are left unfulfilled, it doesn't matter whether I voted for Blair or for Cameron they have and will both fail with policy promises. Some they should never make because no party could fulfil them, like immigration reductions. You can't reduce immigration to Britain while your are part of the EU's open border policy. Cameron may have egg on his face but sensible people will know that a Labour coalition would not have faired any better. Also again it is interesting to see A Conservative policy challenged forgetting that the Liberal Democrats did not endorse the Conservative policy.

Each time I do a survey, or policy check I end up being centric. My views balance out across the board. I'm also a very logical person who sees through all the bluster and flimflam. I rarely read the newspapers, I absorb the news from multiple outlets and I do my own research as best I can. I'm also aware that common sense usually dictates that the logical, sensible outcome to a problem lies by approaching it from both sides, the solution nearly always being found with compromise and lying somewhere in the middle. That will probably frustrate someone perhaps like, you who sets his stall out and is unable to move laterally. Ideologies and all that...
 
To be absolutely clear I will be voting Conservative (as I did at the last election) but I would not be disappointed with a coalition government. It is more representative by nature.
 
I think Dorothy hates the Labour party (a position I can understand, though my reasons would probably be different). So, no, not impartial.

Russell Brand might be a tw@t, but, more and more, not voting seems like a better position to take. Not sure I can put an 'X' next to any of them in good conscience.

I mean, let's agree that Labour were rubbish last time out. Why would things have been better under the Tories? They don't do housing booms? (Lawson?). They would have regulated the financial sector to avoid a crash of such severity? (they were all crying out for more over-sight and regulation of the financial sector whilst in opposition, right?). They would have made more provisions for social housing to help keep rents down? (right-to-buy and the current party in power demonstrates the opposite).

On immigration, they use non-EU migrants as a political football whilst doing nothing about EU migration ("our hands are tied.") That goes for both sides. On benefits/jobs, both parties have a track record of fiddling the figures to suit their own stats. The Tories got a lot of people off of job seekers and on to incapacity benefit many years ago. Labour would just like everybody studying til they are 75 for similar reasons. Neither party wants any form of PR voting, they are happy with an effective 2-party system.

Honestly, the cheer-leading from both sides just make you want to throw up.
 
I think Dorothy hates the Labour party (a position I can understand, though my reasons would probably be different). So, no, not impartial.

I think 'hate' might be a bit of a strong word. There are good people and bad people. There are good ideas and bad ones. What I do 'hate' is the way they campaign as opposition. The divisional nature of pitting groups against each other rather than offering solutions to bring people together and to push forward as one Nation. I do admit I still fee let down by the likes of Blair and Brown but this has to be taken into context with how long I have been alive, how many times I have voted. I'm not at all interested what one party did 50 years ago, 40 years ago. Yet I know enough to balance the red book waving nonsense of people harping on about things that the evil Tories did that have not been undone by any labour government since. So perhaps I am tainted by the modern era but I'm also focusing on right now. While independent bodies continue to show that things are improving I am almost certain that change will not bring any greater good. Even those who were averse to Gove's Education policies realise they don't want further change. Once they got past the running about with their hands in the air many have got on with the jobs at hand and have seen benefits. The complainers are always heard the loudest though ;)
 
Your stated opposition to Labour is an ideological position, it is a statement of ideology. As for your other statements, concerning the arts, conservation etc., they are so vague as to be rendered meaningless. You are voting Tory, That was clear well before you admitted it. Just spare me the tosh that you are above ideology. You are as ideological as every other person who has drunk the neo-liberal Kool Aide.
 
Honestly, the cheer-leading from both sides just make you want to throw up.

Very good point, I have lived a long time but I can not remember a time when the two major partys have been so full of soundbites, trumpers and incincere members. Its no wonder the young and many older voters have lost interest, my GHod what I would give to see a politician with true conviction and not a load of flimflam.
 
Very good point, I have lived a long time but I can not remember a time when the two major partys have been so full of soundbites, hogwashters and incincere members. Its no wonder the young and many older voters have lost interest, my GHod what I would give to see a politician with true conviction and not a load of hogwash.
We had one of them. Many on this forum seem to think she was the devil incarnate.
 
The thing I don't get about the media/public shock at the Green's lack of financial acumen is why it was such a surprise to them.

It's the job of the left to invent utopian, uncosted, unaffordable schemes - it's their raison d'etre.

When a party stops spending what it doesn't have and looks for the country to earn it first, it stops being a left wing party and becomes part of the capitalist movement.
 
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