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Justin Edinburgh
"It was the lazy and un-educated who used the casualty departments..." What you spoke to each and every one of them, concerning their work history and education levels? Catch all generalizations such as this completely under mine any credibility you might have. They were not entitled to be there, but you were. Typical Tory attitude.
I'm pretty sure the hard-working and educated don't own "going out" tracksuits.
You can always spot a struggling Labour party because they start banging on about the NHS. It's their failsafe and usually the last thing a leader does before he takes up a career in after dinner speaking.
Not that long to go now til the GE. I'm old enough to have voted in 2 so far in my life, I voted for the Lib Dems both times. I won't be doing that again.
I live in a very safe Tory seat, so my vote won't make any difference to the outcome of the election. But I still feel that I should vote - probably be Labour, as I'd be marginally better off under them than the Tories. I like some of what the greens have to say, but I also like eating meat and driving a car.
To be honest, nobody is really jumping out as someone that I feel I must vote for. Maybe we're all a bunch of clam hypocrites so we get the (choice of) leaders we deserve?
Anybody else know how they plan to vote? I've got Scara down for the TUSC.
I live in a very safe Tory seat, so my vote won't make any difference to the outcome of the election. But I still feel that I should vote - probably be Labour, as I'd be marginally better off under them than the Tories. I like some of what the greens have to say, but I also like eating meat and driving a car.
To be honest, nobody is really jumping out as someone that I feel I must vote for. Maybe we're all a bunch of clam hypocrites so we get the (choice of) leaders we deserve?
Anybody else know how they plan to vote? I've got Scara down for the TUSC.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I do not really engage in politics any more and am planning on spoiling my ballot. But before you give any more consideration to the Greens please read up on what they have done to Brighton. I will not try to sway your opinion but have a read, if you still like them then you should vote for them.
Me well I am not voting for anyone ever again but as I am not completely mad I would not even consider Jason Kitkat the guy is an utter nutter.
I've seen you mention that before, I have read a little bit about it. I've been tempted to vote for them, I like some of what they have to say. The only reason 'd vote for them is so that, if they got a large enough share of the vote, they might pull Labour's politics more to the left, which is where I find most of my political views aligning. I guess a lot of UKIP voters feel similarly regarding the Tories.
I'd like someone to promise a referendum on a PR voting system, and to campaign 'yes' for it. I'd vote Tory if they promised that. Right now, my vote is worth fudge all whereas someone in a marginal can actually have a proper say in who the next PM will be.
Spoilt ballot might be the way forward.
Dorothy
Willem Korsten
I don't ask to be seen as credible by you? I don't even know you and you don't know me. I try not to deal in generalisations. I do however gladly offer my opinion on something I know about in my local area. When I was in my local casualty, which is newly built and a vast improvement on the previous regional status quo, it was plain to see that there were people in there taking the fudging tinkle. People who for one reason or another had not bothered to consult their local GPs, who for some unknown reason didn't understand they or their kids had a heavy cold or flu. They to the man (bar of course those who were in there for alcohol related injuries) were belligerent, unpleasant, ill mannered and generally out of order. On our first visit we were seen relatively quickly, but then had to wait (not a problem, glad to have the resource) and sat fudging horrified at what we were seeing. I kid you not we even saw people keeping the car running at the drop of point, causing natural friction with the reception teams as they had clearly expected to be seen, served and supplied in that '15 minute window' I flippantly alluded to in another post. Were they the majority? No, of course not but they were the vocal majority and the only people causing the friction. Am I qualified to provide a visual IQ test? No, of course not and in the modern way I humbly apologise. Perhaps these people weren't ignorant, just troubled and severely let down by ermm 'millionaires' or 'posh' people.
A couple of years before I took my Grandmother, who had fallen down the stairs, and had what we believed to be a minor head injury to the local casualty (now torn down for housing - thank Deities). As a first aider (someone who took the time to learn...) I made a decision that I could use less resources and get her to the hospital safely, quicker than I could getting an ambulance. Everything went according to plan until I arrived at the Casualty department and found them poorly equipped, undermanned, in what we could consider 'dirty' conditions. A 95 year old lady was left to wait for hours. i was always polite, always mindful of the bigger picture. When the it was clear the first stage of care wasn't forthcoming I politely asked for the necessary supplies, was given them and treated my Grandmother's wounds. It was just a stop gap but she was alarmed that her clothing would be ruined and it caused her distress. Without going into any detail I was bizarrely asked in front of my Grandmother (when they eventually got her in a bed to assess her) whether we wanted her to be Awoken if she lost consciousness. I forget the terminology but others will be aware.
So I've seen both sides, I've seen failings both locally and previously in North London where I lived previously. I've been well aware of the need for change and improvement. All I can truthfully say is that the place that horrified so many of us is gone. A new hospital exists. The care, the professionalism, the investment is plain to see and so very welcome. I can't begin to try to account for how many people have been delighted at the care they have received. That is just my opinion, from the ground. It will be different for others and I'm sure some will have been let down as I felt I was a few years earlier but I've seen that the feedback given was taken on board and a difference is being made. I'm also very aware of how much it all costs. So I wonder why even in their perceived moment of need, others can't respect the NHS, respect the emergency services, the casualty departments and think about the bigger piciture. Those sort of people are one of two things. They are clams or they are uneducated and in need of a bit of a steer.
Dorothy
Willem Korsten
We should run a small competition and see if anyone can name the ex-politician who costs the tax payer the most? Anyone...anyone ..anyone? Seems odd that a 'socialist' would want to cost the British tax payer more than the current PM?? Oh come on.. is anyone genuinely thinking of voting for these arse clowns?
Dorothy
Willem Korsten
If you feel that strongly why not move and campaign? It might sound flippant but my vote by the same token counts for very little as I live in what is a safe Conservative seat. If you wanted to vote for someone in opposition there is little point doing so within a constituency where you can't affect the outcome. I say that suddenly remembering the cut off date was probably last week. Just remember that even if someone promises something it does not mean you will get it. For some they can't see beyond the colour of the flag they want to wave. In reality you have to look at the numbers (if you can trust them), you need to look at the trends. You need to look business, at housing, at education , at health, at the City (bastards!!!), at the ENVIRONMENT and you have to think about how capable a country like ours can be to address as many of these topics and in what state they need to be to be able to do. If you are broke, have nothing, have sold everything then you wont be changing brick.
Our issues came about because a Government tried to reward idiots who had voted for them. They did so bu trying to convince them they were better off. They did so by creating non jobs that would never last. They did so by allowing people to borrow money they would not be able to afford to pay back. It was all spin, all bluster. We offered something for nothing. We said you can have it all and you don't have to graft to get it. What we really owned we sold and then we started selling the debt we had created. BOOM.
We should all however vote. We should all share our opinions, do our own research, question everything, question even those who ask questions because if we don't then we don't care. If you care then you need to vote, to exercise your right in the democracy as it stands. You can always look to vote in future to change the way in which it works. Don't look for as party to tick every box because one will be unlikely to exist. Your vote may not change an outcome within a constituency but it can have an effect on the bigger picture, even if it is indirectly.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Is always good to see clarky back posting.
I don't feel strongly enough about it to move house. I'll just see what happens when a Labour minority government gets propped up by the SNP and know that, whatever happens, my vote made no real difference to the formation of the government. And maybe moan about some stuff on the internet
I genuinely don't know who I'll vote for this year for the first time ever.
I want the Conservatives to win, that's by far the best outcome for the country (and for me personally) but i can't bring myself to vote for a party that had so many dissenting voices over gay marriage or one that continually tries to sneak in its "snooper's charter" through the back door.
Not that it really matters - like many of you I'm in a seat that's been safe for the Conservatives for generations.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I'm not saying you were trying to, but bringing the Brighton story to my attention swayed me considerably as I was considering Greens. Might be a bit knee-jerk based on one area/situation but worries me greatly if that could happen to other areas where they gain the vote.
Dicko
Paul Stalteri
Is there a good link/summary of the Greens in Brighton somewhere? (Save me time googling)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...en-Party-are-spiteful-malicious-toddlers.html
They've had to change their manifesto because it was completely unworkable and impossible to afford:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-citizens-income-from-election-manifesto.html
This is a good summary of what they had planned before people started doing awkward stuff like asking them questions about their policies:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...nce-tax-the-Green-Party-plan-for-Britain.html
TL;DR?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...e-bonkers-world-of-the-green-party-manifesto/
Their entire manifesto is essentially the product of some stoner/waster students sitting around wondering what the world would be like if it were made of unicorns and rainbows.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Richie
Naybet
I'm in a similar situation, although my seat is far from safe which is making me really consider my vote. I think the gay marriage issue is much ado about nothing, I really believe Cameron introduced it because it's a issue he cared about, he should be lauded for putting forth a law that could alienate him from his own core vote. If nothing else Cameron deserves a lot of credit for the gay marriage bill, he could easily have left it to a later parliament.
I completely agree over the "snoopers charter" though, and I'm pretty strongly opposed to anything this government has to say about the internet. The Libertarian in me really struggles with the dismantling of civil liberties that has occurred over the last 15 years. Props to the Lib Dems in Coalition, there have been a few things I've been glad to see them block.
The only party I'm certain not to vote for is Labour (or Greens). I like the Lib Dems on many social issues but they aren't tough enough economically, and Conservatives have got it as close to correct on economic policy but some of their policies on privacy are worrisome.
As UKIP, I generally agree with their ambitions like leaving the EU, but for different reasons. I have no issue with immigration, but I hate the bureaucracy associated with the EU.
Then it comes down to candidates, and my local Tory MP follows the party whip a little too often for my liking, rebelling in only 6 out of over 1000 votes this parliament. I struggle to trust someone who follows the party line so blindly, give me the chance and I'd vote for David Davis or Zac Goldsmith any day of the week.
I'm certain I'm either going Tory, UKIP, or spoiling my ballot. I've got a few months to make up my mind.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
It would be a vegetarian world my friend. You would be outcast into an underworld, where we would monitor and control you by extreme measures such as stern telling-offs, tree-hugging exercises and and the forceful viewing of graphic images of pigs cuddling kittens.