Politics, politics, politics

[indianspur]

This is a problem when people spout stuff.(on either side)

You cannot say a minority of the voting public voted Leave BUT choose to not use those same parameters when you then say a 'majority of young people who voted overwhemingly to remain'. It is disingenuous. The majority of young people didn't even vote.

I heard they a lot of young people voted for remain on a certain Facebook page and they thought they had done their bit

Others took their voting cards to Glastonbury thinking there was a booth there to vote in

Seriously What a wrong with the youth of today

 

[scaramanga]

I heard they a lot of young people voted for remain on a certain Facebook page and they thought they had done their bit

Others took their voting cards to Glastonbury thinking there was a booth there to vote in

Seriously What a wrong with the youth of today

Radio 4 did a straw poll of those protesting at Glastonbury about the result and something like 65% of those protesting hadn't voted because they were at Glastonbury.

 

[Baleforce]

I heard they a lot of young people voted for remain on a certain Facebook page and they thought they had done their bit

Others took their voting cards to Glastonbury thinking there was a booth there to vote in

Seriously What a wrong with the youth of today

crazy isn't it

was there talk anywhere of a voting booth at Glastonbury?

 

[scaramanga]

Just testing

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[Notmegov]

crazy isn't it

was there talk anywhere of a voting booth at Glastonbury?

Lots of talk about it, but due to logistics and fraud concerns they just advised every one to postal vote, and having being advising them that ever since we knew about the referendum.

 

[Baleforce]

Lots of talk about it, but due to logistics and fraud concerns they just advised every one to postal vote, and having being advising them that ever since we knew about the referendum.

lack of proper research then

idiots

 

[Grays_1890]

Indeed and before he went he said if he did not get the result he went for he would pull us out, then he flipped flopped ( the one thing he is good at) and then for the rest of the campaign he told us that the remain vote was the only way to go.

No wonder its such a mess with him in charge.

Cameron is a charming man, and I get that, I think he is likable.

But lets be clear, he is the main reason remain lost, he went to the EU with grand talks of winning on behalf of the UK, big talk of pulling out, then came back with a deal, a terrible deal and was happy to present that as a win.

He is right when he said people are disillusioned with politicians, he is front of the queue.

 

[Grays_1890]

Ah teel ye whit nicola, Ah reckon we can cundie brussels fur everythin' noo we cannae rely oan suckin' th' bluid it lae ay th' uk.

 

[glasgowspur]

Ah teel ye whit nicola, Ah reckon we can cundie brussels fur everythin' noo we cannae rely oan suckin' th' bluid it lae ay th' uk.

Racist

 

[thfcsteff]

I genuinely couldn't give less of a fudge how people see us.

I sincerely doubt that Africa, China and the US will be feeling that way - they'll be looking forward to tariff-free trade.

Hahaha, the typical American is scratching their head wondering how people perceived as calling them politically naive and thick have fallen for this bunch of planless huxters. One thing being lost in this discussiom, BTW...few would argue the EU needs serious reform. It is the pathway to that reform which has proven utterly ridiculous.

 

[thfcsteff]

Why should they bother if it is self inflicted? There is no incentive for them giving us a better deal than we had, we do not hold the trump cards and our position is getting weaker by the day. It will come to the point where we need some kind of deal, pragmatism will win out and I am sure that the deal will be presented as a victory by all sides but I do not see that being on better terms that we had and there could be a lot of damage done to our economy by the time we get to that point.

Furthermore, the damage to our reputation will carry far and wide into both social and fiscal areas. There will be punitive reactions for some time.

 

[thfcsteff]

The EU made it very clear we couldn't have that - that's why Cameron came back empty handed and the referendum went the way it did.

Had the EU not been so arrogant and fudgeing obstinate then there would never have been a need for any of this.

I don't disagree that the EU has been very very unhelpful, however Cameron HAS to be better in such situations. It is his job! He tried to use the situation to sort his own party out, which is in my observation poor form.

 

[thfcsteff]

By the way, regardless of other views, I agree wholeheartedly with those complaining about a potential 'second' referendum. Ridiculous. It would, in fact, make a mockery of our democracy. I agree with all who say the vote was the vote and it is as simple as that. Discussing it? No worries!!!

 

[scaramanga]

Cameron is a charming man, and I get that, I think he is likable.

But lets be clear, he is the main reason remain lost, he went to the EU with grand talks of winning on behalf of the UK, big talk of pulling out, then came back with a deal, a terrible deal and was happy to present that as a win.

He is right when he said people are disillusioned with politicians, he is front of the queue.

I don't think Cameron (or anyone) could have got more - although I did at the time.

Clearly the EU thought this was a battle for the 4th Reich ever closer union and had to try and keep the UK as close to that as possible. They obviously didn't for a second think that leave was a possibility. It shows in their belligerence at those discussions.

For that reason, I don't believe anyone could ever have gotten more. What we needed was a two-fold referendum. One initially, followed by negotiations and then a further referendum once concessions were sorted.

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[Glenda's Legs]

Cameron is a charming man, and I get that, I think he is likable.

But lets be clear, he is the main reason remain lost, he went to the EU with grand talks of winning on behalf of the UK, big talk of pulling out, then came back with a deal, a terrible deal and was happy to present that as a win.

He is right when he said people are disillusioned with politicians, he is front of the queue.

There was some commentary I heard as we entered the last few weeks of campaigning to the effect that Cameron had deliberately kept a bit of a low profile initially because he did not want it to become a platform for Boris v him.
The irony of that now eh? (If true).
This one lies at his door and is what he will be remembered for in the history books.

 

[scaramanga]

I don't disagree that the EU has been very very unhelpful, however Cameron HAS to be better in such situations. It is his job! He tried to use the situation to sort his own party out, which is in my observation poor form.

I don't know what else he could have done. His only bargaining chip was the threat of leaving and nobody in the EU believed we would leave.

How do you win a negotiation without any leverage?

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[Hotshot-Tottenham]

Of course it is, but that doesn't make it worse than staying.

Of course it does.

We knew what we were into. Whether one liked it or not was a different matter.

Leaving is a gamble. A step into the unknown. Out of the frying pan, one might say.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

No that's what a section of remainers want to get across incorrectly. I'm sorry but if anyone thought EVERY SINGLE PENNY we save would get pumped into a single organisation, in the NHS, they are deluded.

It will be drip fed into several sectors I'm unsure what people are thinking it is really out there.

Deluded, or lied to?

Come on, this image is everywhere.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

I don't know what else he could have done. His only bargaining chip was the threat of leaving and nobody in the EU believed we would leave.

How do you win a negotiation without any leverage?

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The problem was (imo) that Cameron himself did not believe we would vote to leave. If you go into a negotiation not believing in the one bit of leverage you might have, that will be evident and immediately weakens your hand.
Of course the fact that it all has to be played out so publicly does not help either.

 

[StephenH]

Corbyn reminds me of a scout leader.

Cameron must have had a brain storm thinking that this referendum was winnable!
Suicidel strategy - almost comedic.