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Politics, politics, politics

So we live in a democracy until the left don't get what they want

This result comes as a result of the Tories taking their election win and skipping away celebrating their win and not listening to why people did not vote for them.

If you add up the major/small party numbers from 2015 it adds up to more or less 17m votes to Labour, Liberal, UKIP, the same number (give or take) that voted for out. In Thurrock for example the split of 72% to leave reflects more or less the numbers that did not vote for Jackie Doyle Price (conservative) in 2015.

People can lay the blame at the feet of 17million people but lets get it clear, the rest of the UK has had to pick itself up and work harder whilst London took the cream, so now its time for that role to reverse. The blame if any lies at number 10
 
SpurMeUp said:
after campaigning to leave the trading block, we are now being told by the same people they are internationalists. Contradictory?
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Not at all. The external border of the EU was one of the worst barriers to trade in existence.

We are now able to trade freely with the world as we see fit, not just in a manner that benefits the least efficient parts of the EU.
 
True story from my mate who is a decorator (voted in) - Went to price a job this morning for a Polish couple. They voted OUT as he was worried the Turks would take his job !

Double layered is this result
 
Grays_1890 said:
So we live in a democracy until the left don't get what they want

This result comes as a result of the Tories taking their election win and skipping away celebrating their win and not listening to why people did not vote for them.

If you add up the major/small party numbers from 2015 it adds up to more or less 17m votes to Labour, Liberal, UKIP, the same number (give or take) that voted for out. In Thurrock for example the split of 72% to leave reflects more or less the numbers that did not vote for Jackie Doyle Price (conservative) in 2015.

People can lay the blame at the feet of 17million people but lets get it clear, the rest of the UK has had to pick itself up and work harder whilst London took the cream, so now its time for that role to reverse. The blame if any lies at number 10
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It's not as simple as that. Many on the left voted to leave. Labour towns in the north voted strongly to leave. Many left-wingers who support Corbyn voted to leave. I'm a left-winger and voted to remain, but I have no problems with the result. We just have to move forward as a country now.
 
The reaction (understandably) is toxic at the minute.

But the people who lost the remain vote were the Tories and Cameron. Rather than educate they spent the campaign telling people how they should vote and if they were voting out they were "wrong". That's not a way to influence people.

Nor is Beckham and Geldof telling people to vote out any help
 
Grays_1890 said:
The reaction (understandably) is toxic at the minute.

But the people who lost the remain vote were the Tories and Cameron. Rather than educate they spent the campaign telling people how they should vote and if they were voting out they were "wrong". That's not a way to influence people.

Nor is Beckham and Geldof telling people to vote out any help
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we've all lost

the education was out there, how many expert opinions on the economic impact did people need?

how many people debunking the 350m to the NHS did people need?
 
The problem is you are giving 40m people a chance to vote on something that is obviously hugely important. If you are giving them the vote and you are taking that responsibility then you have to also take the responsibility to talk to people on their level.

Not everyone processes information at the same rate and the same way, its pure arrogance to believe otherwise. The remain campaign, as proven in the full out was a "you vote out your wrong" process in the large and it continues to be so now.

The whole thing is typical politics, 17m people being labelled as one rather than listening to why, making assumptions that everyone votes for the same reasons as London, thats what has got the country in the problem in the first place.
 
galeforce said:
we've all lost

the education was out there, how many expert opinions on the economic impact did people need?

how many people debunking the 350m to the NHS did people need?
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The experts are part of the problem, people just don't trust what the establishment say, these are the same experts that didn't see the recession and when it did come (around the world) blamed Gordon Brown. Who'd have thought Greece was a financial nightmare not the experts.
 
What now for UKIP? Assuming that whatever deals get negotiated don't include free movement for EU nationals, then a great many voters will have no need to vote for them anymore (4m at the last GE). I'd have thought many in the north will return to Labour, so long as Labour assure them that they fully respect the referendum result.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
And thats the attitude that made them vote to leave. The clown Farage was right a lot of people are fed-up with being told they are ignorant and racist to hold certain views, as long as whole areas of the country and the population are ignored by the political elite, they will take the chance to hit back. I suspect many of us have traveled round europe and seen projects where EU funding has been used as it is plastered on hoardings, yet in this country I hardly see any, living in London I'm "certain" every projected is financed by Boris personally. If politicians had been prepared to publicize EU funding rather than grab glory for themselves it might have made a difference.
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I don't think that. But when I see 20 bald males congregated together I think that they must be

A) Queuing up for a hair transplant
B) Part of the Hare Krishna movement
C) Belonging to some kind of far right group.

Even in the small market town I live in I saw 20 buffons walking down the road outside mine chanting EDL. Not everyone who voted to leave is a racist but all racists voted to leave.
 
the dza said:
What now for UKIP? Assuming that whatever deals get negotiated don't include free movement for EU nationals, then a great many voters will have no need to vote for them anymore (4m at the last GE). I'd have thought many in the north will return to Labour, so long as Labour assure them that they fully respect the referendum result.
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this result will further legitimise them and energise their base, they will march on

this is dangerous
 
galeforce said:
this result will further legitimise them and energise their base, they will march on

this is dangerous
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I agree. I may be over reacting but not enough to suggest that the Fourth Reich is rising. However, the next call of action that generally follows stop the bastards coming here is generally send the bastards back.
 
galeforce said:
this result will further legitimise them and energise their base, they will march on

this is dangerous
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Their base is quite small though. The bulk of the 4m who voted for them just wanted out of the EU and now it's job done, they aren't all hardcore right-wing cranks.
 
Stay in the UK and fight for a better EU because together we are stronger they said

Unless that is together as Great Britain, then its not worth the fight and everyone who voted out is a macaron?

That sums it up, elitism and people believing they are more important to the UK than others.
 
Craig_J said:
I don't think that. But when I see 20 bald males congregated together I think that they must be

A) Queuing up for a hair transplant
B) Part of the Hare Krishna movement
C) Belonging to some kind of far right group.

Even in the small market town I live in I saw 20 buffons walking down the road outside mine chanting EDL. Not everyone who voted to leave is a racist but all racists voted to leave.
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But you can't help yourself linking them to racists
 
Well the country got a chance to vote and they did just that, they ignored all the lies, flimflam and scare stories the remain camp flooded the media with and voted with their conscience and got the right result.

Sad to see that the remain crew are still suggesting that those that voted out are racist in their views and its not been a democratic vote. The problem the remain camp had is they tried to say that anyone who voted to leave were anti immigration and that backfired on them. That tinkled off a lot of voters and made them come out and vote they way they did.

Cameron and his cronies made the wrong call and suffered because of it. We will not be the only country to leave the busted flush called the EU i have read that the Dutch are suggesting they want a vote now.
 
Craig_J said:
I agree. I may be over reacting but not enough to suggest that the Fourth Reich is rising. However, the next call of action that generally follows stop the bastards coming here is generally send the bastards back.
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it's baby steps

the dza said:
Their base is quite small though. The bulk of the 4m who voted for them just wanted out of the EU and now it's job done, they aren't all hardcore right-wing cranks.
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I fear many of them (certainly the base) are and many more will join

i've always wondered how things got so bad in Europe in the 1930's without a moment of realisation and a call to action to stop it, this is how
 
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