Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[johnola]

Don't want to come across as anti Ukranian but in amongst all the discussions this week there's been barely any mention of how all this increased aid is going to be paid for. As a country we're already heavily in debt with crumbling public services and numerous other issues including sky high cost of living. More aid likely equals more borrowing and higher interest payments unless taxes are raised or money is diverted elsewhere. I think there needs to be a proper conversation about it, we know that increased poverty leads to higher mortality for example.

I feel like at the moment there's a tendency to blame Putin for everything wrong in the country, Russia aren't responsible for social issues, jobs, economy, public services, health etc yet these are huge issues that aren't factored into the aid mix.

I'd like us to provide aid but just think we need to be realistic about how much we can provide given how the UK is today.

I thought it was heavily publicised -from the international aid budget -the minister resigned last week.

 

[Grays_1890]

Rupert Lowe or Reform..............who to back?

Farage or Musk? ................ Who to back?

The confusion must be real now the infighting on the right has begun

 

[Grays_1890]

I literally just made an account, to respond to this post. It's shocking that no one has picked up the obvious.

Your post is not the win you think it is.

The information, that you have provided, also shows that

Whites (80% of the population) account for just 42% of perpetrators.

BAME (20% of the population) account for the remaining 58% of perpetrators.

Your figures show that BAME are almost 3x more likely to *struggle cuddle* children than white people.

These are your figures remember. It seems that Dave the plumber is onto something.

When you look at the figures from the MoJ and look at religious groups in prison.

Christians, 60% of the population, make up about 45% of the prison population.

Muslims, 4%, of the population, make up 16% of the population.

How can you have an honest debate, if you are not telling the whole truth about the what the figures show?

And COYS

#Angeout
#Levyout

Enjoy.

Dave the plumber would still be wrong because he is fudging the stats.

1 - We specifically were highlighting white v asian, clubbing the BAME into the figures to suit your agenda works for you, which is odd considering you later split by religion, so lets stick to the orignal point about asians and the CSE stats clearly show that whites are abusing kids and committing sexual offenses in this country more than anyone above and beyond the population % as shown in the other stats posted by @LutonSpurs

2 - Unless the 16% of Muslims in prison are all in prison for sexual offenses then those stats don't relate consistently with the topic, there will be undoubtedly other crimes in that 16% which means your point does not counter the stats I posted.............

3 - I think Dave needs a bigger fag pack to work his sums on

 

[LutonSpurs]

Dave the plumber would still be wrong because he is fudging the stats.

1 - We specifically were highlighting white v asian, clubbing the BAME into the figures to suit your agenda works for you, which is odd considering you later split by religion, so lets stick to the orignal point about asians and the CSE stats clearly show that whites are abusing kids and committing sexual offenses in this country more than anyone above and beyond the population % as shown in the other stats posted by @LutonSpurs

2 - Unless the 16% of Muslims in prison are all in prison for sexual offenses then those stats don't relate consistently with the topic, there will be undoubtedly other crimes in that 16% which means your point does not counter the stats I posted.............

3 - I think Dave needs a bigger fag pack to work his sums on

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Dave had the same sources as Chich it seems. Unknown ones couple with total data illiteracy.

 

[thfcsteff]

I literally just made an account, to respond to this post. It's shocking that no one has picked up the obvious.

Your post is not the win you think it is.

The information, that you have provided, also shows that

Whites (80% of the population) account for just 42% of perpetrators.

BAME (20% of the population) account for the remaining 58% of perpetrators.

Your figures show that BAME are almost 3x more likely to *struggle cuddle* children than white people.

These are your figures remember. It seems that Dave the plumber is onto something.

When you look at the figures from the MoJ and look at religious groups in prison.

Christians, 60% of the population, make up about 45% of the prison population.

Muslims, 4%, of the population, make up 16% of the population.

How can you have an honest debate, if you are not telling the whole truth about the what the figures show?

And COYS

#Angeout
#Levyout

Enjoy.

Nothing to 'enjoy' about someone who is proud to announce that the only reason they have joined a Tottenham Hotspur forum is to get into a 'debate' about BAME and 'struggle cuddling'...positive hashtags too.

BTW, "...your post is not the win you think it is"?!
Nobody's looking for a fudging 'win'. This is about getting information accurate and preventing such disgraceful crimes being hijacked by others with agendas.

Yeah, nothing to 'enjoy' here...

 

[SpurMeUp]

I thought it was heavily publicised -from the international aid budget -the minister resigned last week.

The aid budget is the tip of an iceberg. The sums we are about to spend on arms will be paid for by spending less on other things. At a time when public finances are squeezed - we spend more than we receive in tax. Someone has to pay. Funding for services and people in the UK will take a hit.

 

[johnola]

The aid budget is the tip of an iceberg. The sums we are about to spend on arms will be paid for by spending less on other things. At a time when public finances are squeezed - we spend more than we receive in tax. Someone has to pay. Funding for services and people in the UK will take a hit.

Wait till you see what the economy will look like in a war.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Wait till you see what the economy will look like in a war.

How’s the shelter coming along?

 

[Mikey10]

Dave the plumber would still be wrong because he is fudging the stats.

1 - We specifically were highlighting white v asian, clubbing the BAME into the figures to suit your agenda works for you, which is odd considering you later split by religion, so lets stick to the orignal point about asians and the CSE stats clearly show that whites are abusing kids and committing sexual offenses in this country more than anyone above and beyond the population % as shown in the other stats posted by @LutonSpurs

2 - Unless the 16% of Muslims in prison are all in prison for sexual offenses then those stats don't relate consistently with the topic, there will be undoubtedly other crimes in that 16% which means your point does not counter the stats I posted.............

3 - I think Dave needs a bigger fag pack to work his sums on

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I’m not sure he should have gone to the trouble of creating an account.

 

[Mikey10]

Rupert Lowe or Reform..............who to back?

Farage or Musk? ................ Who to back?

The confusion must be real now the infighting on the right has begun

Apparently Trump’s cabinet meeting on Thursday ended in a huge de facto demotion for Musk.

This episode below of Quiet Riot is well worth a listen on it - and is generally worth a listen each week. Developing into one of the best political pods around.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Rupert Lowe or Reform..............who to back?

Farage or Musk? ................ Who to back?

The confusion must be real now the infighting on the right has begun

Should do the moles in a bucket trick with all of them

 

[johnola]

How’s the shelter coming along?

Not really any of your business what I do.

 

[Grays_1890]

1) Okay, lets use "your" figures for "grooming gangs" which is what you were discussing right? Grooming Gangs?

White 42%, 80% of the population
Asian 14%, 4% of the population (4%, because the vast majority of "Asian," if not all, grooming gangs are Muslim)
Black 17%, 4% of the population

2) Prison population by religion (as an overall look at how law abiding the followers of the religion of Peace are). 16% of prison population, 4% of the population.

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3) The figures you supplied on the graph, we have an issue, as the police forces haven't recorded the ethnicity of 28.7% of child sex offenders ethnicity not being recorded, up from 5.6% in 2011.

The ethnicity of victims are also not being recorded. I wonder why?

MSN

He said: “The reduction in published data on the ethnicity of convicted criminals, in sharp contrast to data on age or sex, will only fuel perceptions that the British state is covering up the costs of migration.”

Criminals ethnicity not revealed by police over 'racism fears'

Former Conservative minister Neil O'Brien, who carried out the analysis, says the statistics show the ethnicity of the criminal in almost half of all robberies now goes unreported

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Analysis of government figures shows a sharp increase in the percentage of offences such as child abuse where the ethnicity of the perpetrator is not recorded.

More than one in four (28.7 per cent) child sex offence cases do not record the ethnicity of the perpetrator, according to latest Ministry of Justice data, compared with around one in 20 (5.6 per cent) in 2011.

For sexual offences generally, a similar percentage currently go without the offender’s ethnicity being recorded – 29 per cent, up from 8 per cent in 2011.

And the ethnicity of the criminal in almost half of all robberies (44 per cent) now goes unreported, up hugely from just 8 per cent in 2011.

Former Conservative minister Neil O’Brien, who carried out the analysis, said the statistics demonstrated an increasing ‘digital desert on migration’."

So, the figures you supply, don't include nearly 30% of child sex offenders. As the graph states "Excludes defendants who ethnicity was not recorded", it says so, right on the bottom.

Guardian readers are the worst. They throw stats and figures around without any context or critical thinking. And I know you are guardian reader, as you sound just like my mate.

Again conflations and statistical illiterate response. You are making the assumption that all 16% of prisoner are in jail for the same crime, they are not, so where is the breakdown of crimes which attributes CSE to all 16% of those in jail.

Your whole argument hinges on "They are doing more its just not being reported" well as much as I agree about with that about sexual crimes, because women don't report them alot of the time, I think you could likely attribute that to being raped by powerful people at work, the city is rife with it apparently, I doubt they are all Muslims though and likely rich powerful white bosses taking advantage of their staff, but at least I can admit thats just a guess because the stats are not available

I don't read papers, I rarely watch the news, I get up at 7:30 and I work, I stop around 6:00 and then I watch rubbish on series (currently Mr Mercedes).........so no, no Guardian reader here............Although I love you showing your ars3 by posting the Daily Mail........well done for confirming what many of us likely already thought

BTW, serious question, why do people always have a snipe about "Religion of peace" when it comes to referencing Muslims when there is criminality? Do those that live a peaceful and crime free life not earn the right to claim that? Anymore than Christianity by calling Jesus the "prince of peace" when Christianity has been one of the biggest proponents of war and hate in the world? Just seems a really petty win to try and claim by way of snide

 

[Grays_1890]

Rupert Lowe caught lying to the press...........what a time to be alive.

 

[Grays_1890]

A statistical illiterate response?

You do know that "prison population", doesn't mean everyone committed the same crime? Right? Please tell me you understood this?

Just to be sure, prison population means, people in prison, for committing a crime. And there are many ways to commit a criminal act. Such as theft, murder, fraud, *struggle cuddle*, and many more.

So what is statistical illiterate regarding 4% of the population (Muslim) accounts for 16% of the prison population?

And what are your thoughts that black and Asian (Muslim) people are more likely to involved in child grooming gangs, than white people?

I quite agree that is shame a lot of women don't come forward, which makes it even more disgusting that the authorities are not recording certain information to smudge figures, on the ones that do have the courage to come forward.

Yes I do, which is the point I am making, you seemingly attributing all 16% to CSE crimes in your summary, if you are not then we are seemingly agreeing and then the fact remains that most CSE crimes in this country are proportionately carried out by white folk.

Why are people like you never as angry and concerned when its white folk BTW? Its a question I always wonder when people like to highlight crimes, I mean you either care about the crime or you care about who you can blame for the crime, one is sincere IMO the other just shows people using things to suit their agenda. Genuine question BTW because I don't remember anyone joining this forum to be up in arms when a large number of the EDL were banged up for CSE crimes, infact its been crickets on that front.

Again on the second highlighted part I don't agree, I mean when you club blacks and asians together maybe but we were talking asian, if we include blacks we would have to consider that many would be 2nd and 3rd generational brits, many from Christian backgrounds, so we can include them if you concede that its equally a catholic and christian problem as it is muslim?

To state where I come from, I will say again I think *struggle cuddle* and CSE crimes are very much a man issue, not s religion issue and I think statistical data as well as profile of crimes in the country and beyond (when you consider the entertainment industry, sports, financial institutions, politics, royalty etc) the majority of crimes are undertaken by people in places of power, colour and religion largely has nothing to do with it in this country

Its a problem, fcuk me is it a problem, but it needs to be dealt with in all communities, not just the ones we only care to point our fingers at because we don't like them

 

[P.D.]

I thought it was heavily publicised -from the international aid budget -the minister resigned last week.

That's just for general day to defence, I mean what if we have 20K boots on the ground or patrol a no fly zone or step up aid to Ukraine etc. All of that is going to cost tens of billions yet there's no plan for how to pay for it. If we borrow it then our borrowing rates will go up and eventually our taxes to pay for it unless cuts are made elsewhere.

 

[johnola]

That's just for general day to defence, I mean what if we have 20K boots on the ground or patrol a no fly zone or step up aid to Ukraine etc. All of that is going to cost tens of billions yet there's no plan for how to pay for it. If we borrow it then our borrowing rates will go up and eventually our taxes to pay for it unless cuts are made elsewhere.

These resources already exist and are being paid for. But the troops are in barracks and planes in hangars.

The problem will be when it kicks off.

 

[P.D.]

These resources already exist and are being paid for. But the troops are in barracks and planes in hangars.

The problem will be when it kicks off.

I don't think they are, there's facilities when they're in the UK but when they're on active deployment costs go up. They'll need all sorts of additional supplies, planes cost money to fly. Add to that our power costs keep going up so if we produce additional weapons in the UK the cost of those will go up as well.

 

[Rorschach]

Tax a few rich fudges to pay for it. Sorted

 

[johnola]

I don't think they are, there's facilities when they're in the UK but when they're on active deployment costs go up. They'll need all sorts of additional supplies, planes cost money to fly. Add to that our power costs keep going up so if we produce additional weapons in the UK the cost of those will go up as well.

Trivial costs.